What Sacrifice ?

[Cinjin]

If sacrifice is not necessarily limited to physical pain or psychological damage then how, pray tell, can it possibly be considered a sacrifice? If nothing is proffered, than nothing can be accepted.

I believe this is where we differ. The whole point of Christ was to lower himself from God to man. We call this the humiliation and this is why he's often called Godman by the church fathers. Then, after lowered himself, he taught up until he died. He died just like every other human dies, but the Father applied the tortures we deserve for our misdeeds (non-physical). In this way, we receive no punishment for our insults to God and we too are resurrected like him. So, much was proffered, but the debt was paid.

So now a sacrifice is merely lowering yourself to hang out with your own creations? Hmm, we were supposedly made in the image of god and yet the godboy was somehow humiliated to be one of us??? I call bull shit. Jesus was one of us his whole life. Even with all his powers, he was well accustomed to hanging out with the refuse of society, and yet somehow he suddenly felt humiliated to be a human?? Do you have a bridge to sell me too? And while we're at it, if he supposedly was brought down to us lowly human's level than he would've BEEN a human, which means: he should've STAYED DEAD. Oh that's right, he didn't, therefore (and in addition to his life lived as a common lowly man), since he was never really human your humiliation point is invalid. Nope, I still see no sacrifice. Not dead. Not human, not humiliated, and little to no human suffering. The definition of the word sacrifice has not been met on any level. I've never even read of jesus crying out in pain during the whole alleged ordeal - which means that you can't prove to me that he even suffered at all that day.

Point of fact: Whenever your god demanded a sacrifice anywhere else - something was going to die... and you can be damn sure whatever it was wasn't coming back.

True. He's always commanded the sacrifice to be loss from the person, usually from their cash deposits or flocks. To repay the debt ourselves, we'd all actually have to die and then we would have to raise ourselves up from the grave (which wouldn't happen). Instead, Jesus submits himself to death with no faults. Because he took our faults, we have no more debt. Because he had no faults himself, he rose, and will raise us.

Classic 'Do as I say and not as I do' from the big guy upstairs huh? In every single other instance the sacrifice required is permanent.
Jesus lost NOTHING. He gave NOTHING. He went to heaven to rule as a King. Sorry pal, none of those 5 definitions of sacrifice were met. Hell, nevermind the definition in the dictionary - what's worse is the standard of sacrifice that your own god set forth wasn't even met.


It's almost as if the whole thing was a poorly written work of fiction.