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What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 6:56 am
This is a question that I asked a few months ago at an Alpha course and got no sensible answer.
“What was the actual sacrifice that God made?. I said “ If Jesus is the Son part of the holy trinity then he is co-eternal in Christian doctrine (I've done my homework) so he has existed for all eternity. Therefore he has always known that he will come to earth and occupy a human body for 30 years and then be crucified, go to hell for 3 days (a place which he himself had made) re-animate his dead crucified body and ascend to heaven to be Lord of the universe for eternity again – where's the sacrifice?” Apart from the undeniable agony of a crucifixion death doesn't seem much else."
Perhaps the theists on this forum can answer this for me.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 6:58 am
(August 14, 2012 at 6:56 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: This is a question that I asked a few months ago at an Alpha course and got no sensible answer.
You won't get one here either, trust me on this one.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:04 am
(August 14, 2012 at 6:58 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (August 14, 2012 at 6:56 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: This is a question that I asked a few months ago at an Alpha course and got no sensible answer.
You won't get one here either, trust me on this one. I am hoping for a more considered response than is possible in the Alha course environment.
If I get a convincing response then I could convert to christianity (I lost count of the number of times I said that on the Alpha course).
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:08 am
(August 14, 2012 at 6:56 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: This is a question that I asked a few months ago at an Alpha course and got no sensible answer.
“What was the actual sacrifice that God made?. I said “ If Jesus is the Son part of the holy trinity then he is co-eternal in Christian doctrine (I've done my homework) so he has existed for all eternity. Therefore he has always known that he will come to earth and occupy a human body for 30 years and then be crucified, go to hell for 3 days (a place which he himself had made) re-animate his dead crucified body and ascend to heaven to be Lord of the universe for eternity again – where's the sacrifice?” Apart from the undeniable agony of a crucifixion death doesn't seem much else."
Perhaps the theists on this forum can answer this for me.
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The problem with your question for me is that I don't consider "Jesus" to be God.
His name doesn't support that. His words don't support that. His actions don't support that.
I also don't believe in "hell", so to me, your question is a loaded one.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:14 am
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(August 14, 2012 at 7:08 am)catfish Wrote: The problem with your question for me is that I don't consider "Jesus" to be God.
His name doesn't support that. His words don't support that. His actions don't support that.
I also don't believe in "hell", so to me, your question is a loaded one. Yes I understand that Catfish. My question was really aimed a theists who follow the mainstream Christian theology of the trinity (one indivisible God, etc.)
Perhaps I should go on a Xtian forum for these answers.
Can anyone suggest some good ones ?
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:17 am
"Many will be decieved" has quite a remarkable tone for today's day and age...
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:19 am
(August 14, 2012 at 7:17 am)catfish Wrote: "Many will be decieved" has quite a remarkable tone for today's day and age...
Sorry. Don't understand that.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:26 am
It means...
You are looking for answers from a huge number of "mainstream followers" when the Bible itself says that few will make it.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
King James Version (KJV)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Man has made Christianity complicated. Worrying about what people believe and condemning others who don't believe as they do.
Yeshua's message was clear, be good, repent, and accept forgiveness from God... (repent is a change of heart, not simply saying "I'm sorry")
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:37 am
(August 14, 2012 at 7:26 am)catfish Wrote: It means...
You are looking for answers from a huge number of "mainstream followers" when the Bible itself says that few will make it.
Nevertheless it is to them that I address my question.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 14, 2012 at 7:40 am
(August 14, 2012 at 7:37 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: Nevertheless it is to them that I address my question.
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All that shows is that you have preconceived notions of what is supposed to be true.
Good luck with that...
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