I would also call bullshit if "...now a sacrifice is merely lowering yourself to hang out with your own creations", "...he was never really human...", and if "Jesus lost NOTHING. He gave NOTHING". But, these are all false. The sacrifice included "lowering", but that isn't enough. Actually, dying isn't enough either. It's the extra suffering applied by the Father for our sakes that seals the deal. He was actually human, with all of our inclinations, desires, and whatnot. If he wasn't he didn't make up for our sins. He needs to literally be one of us to redeem us. Finally, he did have suffering, and this redeems us.
This one is more evident in scriptures than most.
Luke 19:41
And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it...
John 11:34-36
And he said, “Where have you laid him (Lazarus, friend of Jesus, recently died)?” They said to him, “Lord, come and see.” Jesus wept. So the Jews said, “See how he loved him!”
And then the big one, Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
The last one is on the cross, quoting Psalm 22:1. This is his greatest cry of anguish.
Cinjin Wrote:I've never even read of jesus crying out in pain during the whole alleged ordeal - which means that you can't prove to me that he even suffered at all that day.
This one is more evident in scriptures than most.
Luke 19:41
And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it...
John 11:34-36
And he said, “Where have you laid him (Lazarus, friend of Jesus, recently died)?” They said to him, “Lord, come and see.” Jesus wept. So the Jews said, “See how he loved him!”
And then the big one, Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
The last one is on the cross, quoting Psalm 22:1. This is his greatest cry of anguish.
The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
