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Islam or Atheism
RE: Islam or Atheism
(April 16, 2013 at 4:17 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: How about when God said in the Quran that the Universe is expanding
Laying aside that you won't find any quran that predates the 20th century with this interpretation embedded (iow...the qurans publishers started using the interpretation "expanding" as soon as we knew...but not demonstrably before) what does this tell us? Norse myth states that human beings come from trees - which is suprisingly true in general, but horrendously innaccurate in the particulars (and in the method of aquiring the knowledge - which is important). Many societies that postulated a spherical earth (for example) did not do so based on any observation either. They didn't actually know, it was just woven into their myth structure. In any case, correct me if I;'m wrong, but doesn't the quran also claim that the universe will collapse (in much the same tortured way as the expanding bit)? Further, do you think that any of these conjectures (and many, many more) weren't already being bandied about in the greek and persian world? Again, predictably wrong, predictably right - and often for poor reasons in both cases.

Quote:or telling about exact incidents in the future
Care to present an example of this?

Quote:If you look to the amount of scientific facts and future prediction in Quran, it cannot be fabricated (specially by Mohamed)
What can't be fabricated? The above bit about our expanding universe clearly and transparently was. Is this (and other things like it) the driving force behind your faith? Would your faith be shaken or abandoned by these sorts of things being demonstrably untrue?

(April 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm)Muslim Scholar Wrote: it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.
You keep saying this like you're trying to cast a spell. It's no more true now than it was the first time, and repeating it won't alter that.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 9:23 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 10, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:26 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by radorth - April 3, 2013 at 2:18 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Fruity - March 30, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:27 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Something completely different - March 30, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:40 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:50 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 10:54 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 11:04 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - March 30, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2013 at 1:11 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by mralstoner - March 31, 2013 at 2:47 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Brakeman - March 31, 2013 at 5:24 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 7:27 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by paulpablo - March 31, 2013 at 7:44 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by pocaracas - April 2, 2013 at 5:58 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by archangle - April 2, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by pocaracas - April 2, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Polaris - April 8, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Zen Badger - April 10, 2013 at 8:59 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by paulpablo - April 10, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Cato - April 16, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 9:03 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 16, 2013 at 4:17 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by paulpablo - April 16, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Mister Agenda - April 16, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 17, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Cato - April 17, 2013 at 3:35 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 17, 2013 at 5:00 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by pocaracas - April 17, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by pocaracas - April 17, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 17, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Cato - April 17, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by LostLocke - April 19, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by justin - April 25, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 27, 2013 at 3:35 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by paulpablo - April 27, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Dragonetti - April 27, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 29, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Dragonetti - April 29, 2013 at 2:46 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by paulpablo - April 17, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 17, 2013 at 8:07 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by paulpablo - April 17, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by LostLocke - April 16, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by LostLocke - April 17, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by justin - April 17, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 17, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 20, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by downbeatplumb - April 20, 2013 at 7:31 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Muslim Scholar - April 20, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Cato - April 20, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Joel - April 20, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Islam or Atheism - by Dragonetti - April 25, 2013 at 6:31 am

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