Islam or Atheism

[Muslim Scholar]

Why should I accept your book over these guys'?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

[Ryantology]

Why should I accept your book over these guys'?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

Muslim Scholar: Proving that Dunning-Kruger is not merely a western phenomenon.

[pocaracas]

Why should I accept your book over these guys'?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

If I remember it correctly, I refuted your proof, on the basis that you had defined a hypothetical time that doesn't relate to the actual universal time.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Why should I accept your book over these guys'?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

Is misplaced and unwarranted arrogance a sin in Islam?

You haven't proven your version of god so please don't insult the intelligence of humanity by claiming you have.

[Cato]

Why should I accept your book over these guys'?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

Bullshit! Numerology only proves you like to play with numbers.

[LostLocke]

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

Bullshit! Numerology only proves you like to play with numbers.

And I have evidence that the only significant numbers are 4 8 15 16 23 42



Boy, I'd hate to see if the Qur'an were mistranslated, or re-translated into another language.
All the significance of those numbers would be obliterated, since the count would no longer be accurate.

[downbeatplumb]

Why should I accept your book over these guys'?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

That's not how I remember it.

[The Grand Nudger]

How about when God said in the Quran that the Universe is expanding

Laying aside that you won't find any quran that predates the 20th century with this interpretation embedded (iow...the qurans publishers started using the interpretation "expanding" as soon as we knew...but not demonstrably before) what does this tell us? Norse myth states that human beings come from trees - which is suprisingly true in general, but horrendously innaccurate in the particulars (and in the method of aquiring the knowledge - which is important). Many societies that postulated a spherical earth (for example) did not do so based on any observation either. They didn't actually know, it was just woven into their myth structure. In any case, correct me if I;'m wrong, but doesn't the quran also claim that the universe will collapse (in much the same tortured way as the expanding bit)? Further, do you think that any of these conjectures (and many, many more) weren't already being bandied about in the greek and persian world? Again, predictably wrong, predictably right - and often for poor reasons in both cases.

or telling about exact incidents in the future

Care to present an example of this?

If you look to the amount of scientific facts and future prediction in Quran, it cannot be fabricated (specially by Mohamed)

What can't be fabricated? The above bit about our expanding universe clearly and transparently was. Is this (and other things like it) the driving force behind your faith? Would your faith be shaken or abandoned by these sorts of things being demonstrably untrue?

it is because I proved God existence and no one was able to refute it.

You keep saying this like you're trying to cast a spell. It's no more true now than it was the first time, and repeating it won't alter that.

[Muslim Scholar]

How about when God said in the Quran that the Universe is expanding

Laying aside that you won't find any quran that predates the 20th century with this interpretation embedded (iow...the qurans publishers started using the interpretation "expanding" as soon as we knew...but not demonstrably before) what does this tell us? Norse myth states that human beings come from trees - which is suprisingly true in general, but horrendously innaccurate in the particulars (and in the method of aquiring the knowledge - which is important). Many societies that postulated a spherical earth (for example) did not do so based on any observation either. They didn't actually know, it was just woven into their myth structure. In any case, correct me if I;'m wrong, but doesn't the quran also claim that the universe will collapse (in much the same tortured way as the expanding bit)? Further, do you think that any of these conjectures (and many, many more) weren't already being bandied about in the greek and persian world? Again, predictably wrong, predictably right - and often for poor reasons in both cases.

Yes, Quran told that the Universe will be warped like a book
till now it is not obvious how, but in the future science may discover something then it will match with the Quranic words.

or telling about exact incidents in the future

Care to present an example of this?

I'll create a separate thread for that

[Joel]

warped like a book

What the hell does that even mean?