RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 20, 2013 at 8:23 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2013 at 8:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 20, 2013 at 6:36 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: As all of you refused to give another system, let's compare it to US lawsNeither, both are illegal. Marriage does not redeem child molestation. It does not "make it better"
or give a specific example then see how it will/should be treated under different laws.
What is better for a girl at 9 that wants sex?
to marry under Islamic rules and restrictions
or to have sex with another boy (17 for example) without marriage.
Quote:But none of them prevent a child from having sex with another child.Actually they do (though not in the preventative, our laws are reactionary-even if they are designed to be preventative), but often when both children are of comparable age we with-hold blame, conceding that neither child is truly of age to be cognizant of a crime, making it difficult to hold either accountable. The 17-9 example offered above would not be one of thse times. A 17 year old would most likely be charged with everything the law allowed (and may even be tried as an adult-depending on the severity of the charges).
Quote:NO, People are not equalThey may not be, but certainly not for that reason (though I can think of a related reason that they may not be based upon that statement) - nevertheless, whether or not they are equal doesn't tell us whether or not we should treat them as though they are. Some societies and individuals have found it useful to go ahead and go with equality - for obvious reasons. Would you object to my treating you like a sub-human based upon your comment above?
Just think like that (If there is a God and he asked humans to worship him, then a non-follower is a criminal and should not be treated equally)
Quote:Sometimes a wife needs a disciplinary actionSure, when she commits a crime- it doesn;t matter whether or not she's someones wife and her husband isn;t empowered to dish out the punitive action. Here, we call that assault and battery, or domestic violence.
Quote:Do you know any successful system in life that is not hierarchical?Plenty actually, yes. Cooperation and lateral management have been shown time and time again to lead to better decision-making (especially in that the mistake of the one at the top does not carry all the way down to the bottom). Not that the existence of hierarchies or other forms of organization makes any case as to which is the better of any two options in any given scenario. Regardless, whether or not there is any benefit to be had from a hierarchy does not address who should be at the head. Why not submit to your wife ( I suspect that many men, muslim or not, actually do this already..and sometimes don't even realize it - pussy is a powerful negotiating tool-so long as she spreads those legs you might come out thinking that you "won"..lol)? She may be a better leader than you. I think that one reason for divorce rates being higher in western countries might be that you can actually have one without fear of being stoned to death by a mob or becoming a pariah. If divorce was as acceptable in random shithole-a,b or c as it is here we might see a huge wave of men tearfully exclaiming "I never knew she was unhappy".
Business, Politics, Sports, Religion, Legal all are hierarchical system where leaders/managers are on top then people follow them.
Marriage is the same, the man is the leader and his wife submit to him, it doesn't mean that she blindly obey him, there are discussions and opinions but the man leads
That is why the rate of divorce (failure) is much higher in the western countries.
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