(April 23, 2013 at 7:57 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(April 23, 2013 at 6:23 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: But magic remains magic even if you give it the fancier name of miracle. They are still tricks even if you call them supernatural. Apollonius of Tyana did magic as did Simon Magus. Once you admit magic you can't pick and choose. And as almost all the magics worked by Jesus are the same kinds worked on god TV I do not see why you are impressed. Again why do magicians hate amputees?
The miraculous accounts detailed in scripture are not magic.
Magic is magic no matter what name you give it. I did make that point very clear in noting most of the same tricks are still done today by preachers on god TV channels.
Quote:1. God upholds His creation in a uniform and predictable manner (Genesis 1 and 8).
2. At certain points in our redemptive history God alters the manner in which He upholds His creation. This is what we call a miracle; magic has nothing to do with it.
Upon what physical evidence, not your faith, not your argumentation do you believe the unknown people of unknown character and of unknown motivation recorded magical events? Any evidence the magics were not made up centuries later?
It is clear by inspection the Genesis discredits itself in the manner of creation and the events following it. Ribs and naming animals come to mind quickly. When you have crap like that you know the author is either a liar or a whacko.
It is sort of surprising that you, who apparently have spent some time with the material, have not realized there is no evidentiary basis for your opinions regarding the material.
The default assumption is that stories which contain magic even if given a more impressive name of miracle which has the same meaning were written as fiction and were intended to be read as fiction.
