(April 26, 2013 at 9:14 am)enrico Wrote: Atheism born in order to counter the religions so if you want to knock down religious beliefs you must have other types of beliefs in your mind.
I believe in many things. Atheism is a position on the singular issue of gods, nothing else. However, my beliefs are demonstrable in physical reality, and though my position is a reaction to religious claims, it's not an antagonistic position: I will believe religious claims at precisely the moment they are able to comprehensively demonstrate them, and not a second before.
Quote:It does not make sense to say that religions must first prove their beliefs when you yourself can not prove anything of your beliefs.
But my sole atheist belief is that I don't know whether there is a god or not, but that religious groups have not demonstrated that the one they believe in exists. How would I go about proving to you that religious claims aren't convincing to me? It's a personal stance.
I am not, however, making a claim. Religious groups are, and therefore they need to prove it. That's the way things work.
Quote:It does not matter if your enemy is wrong.
Sure it does, if your enemy is the only one actually claiming something to be true.
Quote:If you want to win the war you must go and fight with some weapons.
Except I'm not going to war. I'm neutral. I've got no sword with which to brandish. In your analogy religion would be an invading force, while my country is over here just trying to live.
We do have a shield though: not one of the weapons our religious antagonists have have ever been proven to exist.
Quote:As far as i can see you have no weapons to fight with.
Because we're not fighting.
Quote:So far physical science can prove religious dogmas wrong but as far as God existence or not nothing at all.
Good thing my position isn't "no gods exist," then. And a good thing atheism is a position on gods, not creator beings.
Quote:But i predict an eternal struggle between you two.
Just so long as you understand that it's only the fundamentalist religious side that feels the burning need to extinguish those that disagree with them.
Quote:As soon as religions see their dogmas collapse they will invent a new dogmas (false truth) and as soon as they do that you will be at their throat try to knock down the new dogma.
Who's knocking anything down? I don't think it's too crazy to expect that the religious demonstrate that their dogmas are true. Why do you?
Quote:At the end none of you will get anywhere because both of you miss the real point which is to reach human emancipation.![]()
See, this is the problem I have with other people telling me what I believe: they're almost always wrong on one point or another (or all of them, in your case) and then I have to spend time explaining what I actually believe point by point, when you could have just asked. It's rude.
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