RE: What would convince you that a god exists?
May 11, 2013 at 11:26 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2013 at 11:29 am by The Reality Salesman01.)
(May 11, 2013 at 10:49 am)Praetorian Wrote: It's rather silly that you're making me make this argument because I'm not a theist. But I don't accept your premise because if you're an all-powerful being, you could easily change the laws of physics locally to accommodate you.The laws of physics aren't even really what makes these suggestions impossible, but they do help us paint a picture of the absurdity, none the less, a God is either energy or matter (physics part) or He is either material or immaterial (metaphysical form of the question). The law non-contradiction dictates that he cannot be both at the same time, right? He cannot be both A and Not-A. Any theist is forced to pick one, or dodge it by describing an abstract entity beyond comprehension, some kind of panetheism crap. It cracks me up when Christians take this stance without even realizing the implications.
I've always felt that mathematical and physical arguments against the existence of god are rather silly, because they can always be trumped by the claim of omni-whatever. It's much easier to attack the character of the god, or the event claims in support of the god, or the deeds of the followers of the god, etc.
If they pick one, they are trapped.
If they dodge it, and describe the abstract latter, they are trapped.
Anything that can be understood rationally is inherently contingent upon certain logical contengencies, if it cannot be understood rationally (the abstract latter of the 2 paths) they concede that a belief in God is irrational and therein unreasonable. Would you like to play devils advocate in this game?
