RE: Two excellent reasons to OPPOSE gay marriage in the UK
May 17, 2013 at 8:56 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2013 at 8:57 pm by ideologue08.)
(May 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: It would open the door to a plethora of new definitions? Really? No. It will just mean same sex couples have the same rights as straight couples. The majority of people in he UK support equal marriage, so where you state otherwise is a fucking lie.Yes, it would. The exact same reason for allowing gays to marry could be applied to all sorts of permutation and combination of humans.
Not true, the majority of people in the UK do not support equal marriage, only hardcore libertarians like Tiberius support equal marriage. Equal marriage means allowing any two consenting adults to marry, (although I would argue that there is no true equality unless you allow two consenting children also to marry, or a consenting child and a consenting adult, although this is a whole different debate).
(May 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: OMG! Next people will be able to marry the dead!!!!! ...No. There is nothing about polygamous marriages in the equal marriage bill. That's not what its about. It's about not discriminating against people based on their sexuality to the point where they are denied basic rights. Not that a polygamous relationship is any more "grotesque" than one with two people.No, people can't marry the dead because the dead can't legally consent. Again, what you are saying isn't true. The argument in favour of gay marriage is identical to the argument for supporting polygamy and many forms of sexual relationships, that is the issue at hand here. It's good to see you're being consistent by supporting gay marriage, but the fact is, there is not much choice in terms of supporting such measures in the name of "equality" if you're going to support the marriage between same-sex couples. Therein lies the legal nightmare.
For the record, I'd fully support polygamous marriage, as long as the technical issues (like who gets to make the decision if one person is on life support and the spouses can't agree on whether or not to switch it off) are ironed out.
(May 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: *sigh* No it won't.Well, whether it will or won't happen remains to be seen, but there is every reason to think it will happen.
There is absolutely no reason to think this. Churches have the right to refuse to marry ANY couple. How often do you hear of Churches being forced to marry couples when one or both parties have been married and divorced in the past? There are many Churches that already offer blessings for same sex couples, they'll happily carry out same-sex marriages when they finally pass.
Not true Nora, there is every reason to think this. A situation arising where a synanogue or a church or a mosque throwing out gays in the street for asking for a marriage and then lobbying parliament for new legislation designed to curb this loophole in equality laws isn't very far fetched to imagine.
(May 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Actually, it is equality that is being sought. You're being a paranoid fucking moron. Why should being straight give you special rights? Why are you shitting yourself over gay couples being officially considered human beings in Britain? What the fuck has anyone else's relationship have to do with you? Nobody is going to force people to marry a person of the same sex, and nobody is going to prevent people from marrying people of the opposite sex. You're ridiculous.Because that is my opinion, gays should not have equal rights as straight people with regards to marriage, neither should incestual or peadophilic relationships be equal to two consenting opposite sex adults marrying. There is no such thing as equality in many parts of society and it should remain that way.
(May 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Aaaactually.... The use of bots early on in the petition are responsible fot that. It was even brought up on a fantastic edition of Newsnight.Well, I didn't know that, and I don't know whether or not I should take your word for it