How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Tiberius]

You know Tib, sometimes the babies are really unwanted and remain unwanted after birth... sometimes, having a child can mean losing a job and any way of supporting both the mother and child.... sometimes, having a child means that the grandparents have to take monetary care of both the mother and the child, and sometimes, they're not very willing to do so.
Sometimes, the mother's life just becomes unbearable, if she haves that child.

I never denied that sometimes babies are unwanted and remain unwanted. All I did was argue against the apparent assumption that all of them fall into that group. I asked for evidence! Even if this happens "sometimes", it is not grounds for allowing abortion. Sometimes, children grow up into murderers, but we don't go around locking up children because they might kill someone else. That isn't fair on the child, and it isn't fair on the child in this situation either. Yes, maybe they will grow up having a hard life, but we have no way of knowing that before the fact.

And I think anyone should be allowed to judge their own lives and deal with the consequences of sex in their own way... within a reasonable time-frame.

The problem is, there are (at least) two lives involved in abortion, and one of them doesn't get a say.

Here's one. Here's another one.

The first seems to deal with child abuse in general, and states that keeping unwanted children is one possible reason. It also states that 40% of child abuse cases relate to substance abuse. My point is, it doesn't conclude that the majority of unwanted children that are kept end up being abused. The second link was a book, so unless you have a specific excerpt from the book (and the source the book takes the info from), it isn't really what I was after.

And you seem to assume that adoption is necessarily a better option. Counter-Example: David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz' final tipping point was his finding out that he was adopted.

No I didn't. I never assumed anything of the sort. It's all very well to use counter-examples to adoption after the fact, but we can't know from the start whether an adoption is going to go well. Unless you have evidence that the majority of adoptions end with the kid being mistreated, or having a terrible life because of it, then I'm not sure what point this even proves. Adoption is a possibility for unwanted pregnancies; one which gives the child at least a chance at having a life. Abortion does not.

And yet, abortion remains legal. Your talk about feelings cannot work.

Abortion is not legal because women "feel" they should have control over their own bodies. Abortion is legal because people argued about it in government / court and came to a decision. That could change one day; it's changed in the past.

Another potential consequence of sexual intercourse is catching an STI. Are you opposed to people getting treated for those as well?

No, but then an STI isn't a human...

Also, abortion isn't a "treatment" for a pregnancy...it's the termination of a pregnancy. Are you seriously comparing an STI to a child?

How about potential consequences of other actions? What if you get a sky diving injury and break a leg, should we deny them medical care?

Seriously? You're really asking me that? It affects one person; one person's body. No human is killed in the mending of a broken leg. If a person has insurance, and the insurance covers the care, then of course they should get it.