How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Tiberius]

No. I'm comparing an STI to an unwanted, parasitic foetus. STIs are living things, too you know. Most STIs aren't fatal, so why should we kill them just because they're unwanted? Hmm?

That "unwanted, parasitic foetus" is still human. Animals and plants are living things, yet we kill them and eat them to survive. Likewise, we try to get rid of STI's to survive. If a foetus is killing the mother, then I'm ok with it being aborted. Other than that (and rape), there is no justifiable reason to kill another human.

The only person involved in an abortion is a pregnant woman. A foetus isn't a person, it can't do anything a person can do. Why can a person be treated for a broken leg they knew was a risk when they jumped out of a plane, but a woman has to have her whole life ruined because of a risk she took, or an accident she had?

How are we defining personhood here, because that definition is important. A mentally disabled person may not be able to do everything a "normal" person can do, but we still don't strip them of their personhood (at least, I don't think we should...maybe you feel differently). So what is your definition of personhood?

Also, pregnancy =/= whole life ruined. Again, if it did mean that, nobody would ever want to get pregnant. What kind of person actively wants to ruin their life? Accidental pregnancies are not the end of the world; you can accept them and change the direction of your life, or give the baby up for adoption.

This is not a human in any sense of the word.

It is in a couple of them though: Deoxyribonucleic acid.

So you think that a woman who aborts should be fined or sentenced to jail or something like that?
In such a legal system, on those "sometimes", she would be at a crossroads and none of the two paths ahead lead to something positive, at least, as far as the eye can see. Either have the child and suffer the consequences, or abort and suffer the consequences.

So many situations can boil down to two paths, neither or which is positive. We don't change the law based on those situations. I'm not really interested in what the punishment should be; it depends on the situation. This discussion is more about the act of abortion.

Adoption is not a very viable option, given that, as it is, there are many children who don't get to be adopted... do you think these children are happy? would you prefer to condemn a child to foster care, when its undesired existence could have been avoided?

Are you honestly comparing foster care to non-existence in a negative light? True, some children have it tough; heck, some children don't even get into the foster care system and end up on the streets. This is not a problem that abortion solves, but it is one that should be focused on. More of our tax money should go to helping people like this instead of wasting it on wars. There is no reason why any first world country could not solve this problem.

Indeed we don't, but there is an increased likelihood of having a hard life and, therefore, of becoming a criminal... thus becoming a burden on society.

It's up to the child to make that decision. It's not up to us to weigh the odds and decide for it.