How to shut up people who are against abortion

[That guy who asked questions]

How can a fetus be considered a complete human if it cannot sustain it's own life? Sure they have developed some basic neurological functioning and a rudimentary circulatory system, but they cannot survive extra-utero. Pre-term infants born as late as 36 weeks can have difficulty with basic functioning, such as regulating body temperature or the ability to suckle without aspirating. Why should a woman be forced to carry this non-viable life inside her body until it becomes viable? Why isn't that the mother's decision and no one else's? It's her body, it's her offspring, it's her choice.


However, abortion occurs with anesthetic. A placenta is not so much a shield as it is a sieve. The anesthetic will reach the fetus, assuming some time is allowed for it to do so. This is also evident at full-term births in women who are medicated vs. those who are not.
Simply because the fetus has basic neurological reactions and functions, does not mean it is a baby... yet, see above.

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Why are you guys STILL arguing semantics?

Let's call a fetus a human. Let's just do it. It doesn't make a difference. It's now a human but it's not the same kind of human we are. So yeah, let's say we are for killing a different type of human under certain circumstances. That simple.

Agreed. A rose by any other name... I prefer potential baby or fetus, personally.

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1. What is it that makes us human? Is it our ability to walk on two legs? Our ability to eat food and regulate our temperature? Or is what makes us human our DNA? The ability to self-sustain doesn't really make a good point to determine something as a human. If we went by that definition then we couldn't consider neonates, infants, or toddlers humans because they aren't capable of self-sustaining either. Toss any of those different forms of a human out on their own with no support from a parent then more than likely they would die.

2. Why should a person not be held accountable for their own avoidable actions? If a woman willingly has unprotected sex and is expecting to not get pregnant then she's ignorant. There are far too many ways to prevent pregnancy for me to universally accept that aborting should be a form of unwanted pregnancy prevention that is a result of wanted pregnancy risk.

3. A fetus isn't a neonate, a child isn't a teen, a teen isn't an adult. The classifications of development are different but the being is still a human. While the method of the abortion may be true it doesn't change my opinion as to whether it is moral or not. Abortion isn't an issue of legality of killing "babies" for me because whether abortion is legal or illegal, women will still have abortions, only difference then is that they will be unsafe abortions that could kill the mother as well. That's why I don't care about legality, but my question is "is it moral to kill another human being?" because regardless of its developmental classification, it is a human. Saying it isn't a human because it doesn't look like you and I at our current stage of development seems like one of the racist arguments. "You're not white so you are an inferior life-form!"

4. Gilgamesh, i'm sorry but that just seems fucked up to me. As I've implied, our DNA is what makes us human. It's the only thing that if changed would render us not human. That's why I think it's a human at conception. You're pretty much saying in your argument that it's ok to kill inferior types of humans. Ok, that's not cool, because that gives justification for racism. The racist believes that they are superior because they are a different type of human. I don't think racism is a moral action at all. Also, your argument gives justification for killing born children and babies and pretty much anyone just because they are on a different period of development (or are a different "type"). A human is a human, regardless of developmental stage. The question is "is it moral to kill another human?" I can agree with the conclusion of dependent circumstances but not on the premise that the killed is a different "type" of human.

I think it's immoral for humans to kill humans. I think abortion is killing a human. I think morality is subjective therefore I think that abortion can be suggested as not immoral under the right circumstances but I wouldn't classify it as moral ever. That is my opinion on abortion and whether you accept it, agree with it, or say "fuck you" will not change that opinion but the latter certainly won't ever lead to any sort of agreement on anything.