(May 30, 2013 at 2:22 pm)ronedee Wrote: This is a tiring argument, from people that don't lift a finger!!!
First off...where are all these millions of dying infants? In abortion clinics getting there heads twisted off?
Ryan Wrote:Where is God, stopping this alleged abomination? Why does he allow it if he hates it so much? Curious that he would, given how frequently he is said to have slaughtered infants for no reason whatsoever.
Alleged abominations, you're joking right. An abortion doctor has been accused of delivering babies alive then killing them, testimony from those who worked with him and saw it happen, eyewitness testimony.
You keep bring up these infants God has slaughtered for no reason, please give us the verses where you have found this info.
rondee Wrote:And, I'm assuming you and your fellow anti's do as much as possible for those OTHER dying children...as say, the Christian Charities do?
Ryan Wrote:You're welcome to look for numbers yourself, but I'm pretty confident that Christians are not more charitable than atheists in any significant way. This is, funny enough, the second time in about a week that a theist has questioned my charity on the basis of being holier than I.
I was questioning the secular world, not just you, I'm aware that some individuals contribute much.
Ryan Wrote:What I can safely assume is that there are no atheists condemning people to death in Africa by preaching against safe sex and contraception to a people scared of a plague the church's refusal to cede to reality has only made worse. .
You need to bring proof that the Christian community as a whole has worsen the problem, before such an accusation is made you should bring the proof. The Christian Church is deeply involved with these people, paying for and bringing in the medicine they need. Food is also brought in by the boat loads. These missionaries also have to pay their own way and most of the money they raise comes from sponsoring churches. We do not have government assistance, however if we payed taxes we could save the monies we spend on these people and then use your tax dollars to pay for it all. That in turn would reduce the help these people get, because we would be receiving the same tax dollars that go to secular organizations. Working together we both help make a difference.
rondee Wrote:"No...we'll close our eyes for the legal killers! And...we'll just blame anything else on a God we don't think exists."
Ryan Wrote:Who created the killers? Who doesn't stop them?
God gave them life in the womb, humanity gave them the knowledge to become evil. So, to answer both questions, man!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.