Quote:When I ask why the father doesn't have a say, I mean in the sense that him and the women had consensual sex, knowing pregnancy was a possibility. It's as much his child as it is hers, so why in those situations can't the father have a say?
Okay so you've narrowed your initial assertion which is a good thing. Now, how do you know that he hasn't gotten a say? Leaving aside the high probability that many men are not that thrilled with children resulting from a roll in the hay what you really mean is situations where the woman and male disagree, yes?
In that case, he still got his "say." She disagreed and she is the one doing all the work. It's her body that you are trying conscript.
