(May 31, 2013 at 3:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(May 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Consilius Wrote: Mothers survive cancer…teenagers get off drugs…kidnapped children are recovered.
While these can be explained away without saying "God did this",
Because they have perfectly natural explanations.
Quote:sometimes we have to realize that there is an ultimate good that works through nature and through the people in our lives.
Nah, shit just happens, some of it good, some of bad but most somewhere in the middle.
I thought the atheist message was "Don't worry about it. You are free." But if THIS is your mindset, there is no ultimate justice, and when children die the response is, "Get over it."
Quote:If people DID walk across water, we would have no choice but to believe. In the past, people believed in demons and dark magic and could attribute miracles to ghost powers. Also, there weren't as many Christians around at the time, making the conversion process harder.
We, on the other hand, surrounded by ministers in a society where the laws of physics are set, would have no choice but to break down and cry out our sins.
I have seen people "walk on water" they were magicians.
If you see something that seems impossible, do not just believe but look for the trick.
In that case, NO proof of God's existence is enough for you. You discredit anything that hints 'supernatural'. Isn't that bigotry? I also thought the science atheism so proudly parades is based on the open-mindedness Christians apparently lack.
Quote:Believing would require nothing on our part except having seen or heard about the miracle event
I think you are being naive here, if I heard about something happening that seemed impossible I would want it properly studied.
I would not start singing praises to god and bending at the knee.
We are assuming this miracle had identified itself with Christianity. Like a winged angel with a trumpet.
Quote:In the smaller miracles we see in our lives, God meets us halfway. We are given equal opportunity to believe that there is a God working for us, or that these things happened by chance. And that's why we need faith…God can't carry us all the way.
There are no miracles.
There have never been miracles.
Until someone comes up with verifiable evidence to the contrary that will remain my position.
You recently denied that there will EVER be evidence opposing your belief, because you are prepared to cut God out of every happening you encounter, so you will never find anything that challenges your belief. You are going to make it all nice and evade the contradictory so it all works out for you in the end.