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What Are Miracles...
#21
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Consilius Wrote: Mothers survive cancer…teenagers get off drugs…kidnapped children are recovered.
While these can be explained away without saying "God did this",

Because they have perfectly natural explanations.

Quote:sometimes we have to realize that there is an ultimate good that works through nature and through the people in our lives.

Nah, shit just happens, some of it good, some of bad but most somewhere in the middle.

I thought the atheist message was "Don't worry about it. You are free." But if THIS is your mindset, there is no ultimate justice, and when children die the response is, "Get over it."

Quote:If people DID walk across water, we would have no choice but to believe. In the past, people believed in demons and dark magic and could attribute miracles to ghost powers. Also, there weren't as many Christians around at the time, making the conversion process harder.
We, on the other hand, surrounded by ministers in a society where the laws of physics are set, would have no choice but to break down and cry out our sins.

I have seen people "walk on water" they were magicians.
If you see something that seems impossible, do not just believe but look for the trick.

In that case, NO proof of God's existence is enough for you. You discredit anything that hints 'supernatural'. Isn't that bigotry? I also thought the science atheism so proudly parades is based on the open-mindedness Christians apparently lack.

Quote:Believing would require nothing on our part except having seen or heard about the miracle event

I think you are being naive here, if I heard about something happening that seemed impossible I would want it properly studied.
I would not start singing praises to god and bending at the knee.

We are assuming this miracle had identified itself with Christianity. Like a winged angel with a trumpet.

Quote:In the smaller miracles we see in our lives, God meets us halfway. We are given equal opportunity to believe that there is a God working for us, or that these things happened by chance. And that's why we need faith…God can't carry us all the way.

There are no miracles.
There have never been miracles.
Until someone comes up with verifiable evidence to the contrary that will remain my position.

You recently denied that there will EVER be evidence opposing your belief, because you are prepared to cut God out of every happening you encounter, so you will never find anything that challenges your belief. You are going to make it all nice and evade the contradictory so it all works out for you in the end.
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#22
RE: What Are Miracles...
Ah,... the miracles..
Water is wet!
The sky is blue!
And, if the cops weren't here, I'd spit in your face!
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#23
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm)ronedee Wrote: But, I and my friends will gladly pray for any of you, or your friends and family that need healing in any manner! Just IM me, and it will stay anonymous! I promise.

Could you pray for me to become fabulously wealthy? I would really appreciate it.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
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RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:37 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 3:31 pm)ronedee Wrote: But I guess not having an explanation is being out of ones control? Which for an Atheist is quite a dilemma! Imagine NOT having an answer to
a supernatural event?! What do you do? Where do you go? How do you act? Pretty scary stuff...eh?

Actually, most atheist have no problem uttering the statement, "I don't know".

It is you theists that insist on plugging all of the holes in knowledge with god.

There is no reason for knowledge and and religion to be separated. Ask Albert!

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
Quis ut Deus?
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#25
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm)ronedee Wrote: But, I and my friends will gladly pray for any of you, or your friends and family that need healing in any manner! Just IM me, and it will stay anonymous! I promise.

One pair of hands working is greater than 1,000 clasped in prayer.

This is particularly apropos when there is yard work to be done. Or anything else for that matter.
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#26
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:44 pm)ronedee Wrote: There is no reason for knowledge and and religion to be separated. Ask Albert!

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

Be careful. Einstein was a very famous agnostic. He didn't believe in a personal god.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
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#27
RE: What Are Miracles...
A miracle, to me, is the definition of something good, but completely unexpected, occurring. There is no deeper level past that.
ronedee Wrote:Science doesn't have a good explaination for water

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#28
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Ah,... the miracles..
Water is wet!
The sky is blue!
And, if the cops weren't here, I'd spit in your face!

Why? Because you hate me? If you were standing in front of me, looking up...I think you would feel differently.
Quis ut Deus?
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#29
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:44 pm)ronedee Wrote: There is no reason for knowledge and and religion to be separated. Ask Albert!

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

Quote mining.

This quote does not indecate that science and religion should not be seperated!

Other than that, the two cannot be connected because one is something personal, the other is not.
Adding to that, religion often stands in the way of scientific progress.
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#30
RE: What Are Miracles...
Einstein also said this:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
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