Explain to me the math behind redemption

[The Grand Nudger]

Humans died at God's hands, and God died at ours! To over-simplify it; We both paid the price for free-will and sin!

I was under the impression that we died "at our own hands" as it were, the wages of sin - and that this somehow established our responsibility for that. If it's just an issue of god killing us, couldn't he have simply stopped doing that (and what are we responsible for in this scenario as stated...what am I supposed to be shrugging off onto this sacrificial lamb in the first place)? Further, why is this love...love in parity? God felt shitty about knocking us off, so he decided to throw us a (1) bone? I don't know that this really offers any recompense - and I definitely still don't understand how this transforms any of it into love?

So say I beat my children (for whatever reason). Later on I decided to let them beat me (to make up for it..ostensibly-or because it will reverse some decision I made which led to the beatings). Does this absolve me of my actions? Am I no longer an abusive father? Reverse these roles. I was abused by my children, would their allowing me to abuse them absolve them? Now add a third party....in either case abuse that third party (or the third party can be unconnected to either of the first two)....

at what point does any of this become love?

It seems to me that in any case a hefty portion of the equation must be ignored. If it were love because "he so loved that he sacrificed his only begotten" why is it not also a case of "and he so loved that he refused to accept"? Now don't get me wrong, I reckon it takes alot of love to sacrifice yourself for someone......but I don't think it takes a whole hell of alot of love to tell someone that they needn't (and shouldn't) sacrifice themselves on account of some shitty thing that one did. When I say that I don't see love in this I'm not criticizing your god or it's motivations (I've already told you this) I'm wondering about the recipient of said gift (which I've already explained).

If gods love for me has overwhelmed his better judgement that wouldn't surprise me (I mentioned already that I figure I'd attempt the same for my children)....but to conceive of it this way does away with all questions on this count anyway, doesn't it. God wasn't thinking straight - and that explains handily how things got so fucked up. But here we are now....and looking at this sad little drama play out with some time between then and now, if I can look at the situation and say...yeah, I could have handled that better, don;t you think that god could probably do the same (if not exceed my ability in this regard?). Clearly, I understand that I've deviated from your expressly stated position here..but I'm just playing with how far I can take your position and run with it - insofar as I can work it out.

Free will was needed to be an independent creation (not robots), and sin was the result of our free will and independence. We wanted what God was/is without asking for it!

I can't put it any simpler than that, which is way too simple, bordering blasphemous.

Okay...but what where you trying to put simply....I get the feeling that you might be trying to answer a question I haven't asked you Ron, or that you don't understand the question I've asked?