RE: Explain to me the math behind redemption
June 6, 2013 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2013 at 11:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 6, 2013 at 10:45 am)ronedee Wrote: Well... I've enjoyed talking with you! It's nice to engage in a conversation w/o all the name calling and stereotyping. No matter what our association is, we are still people with mostly the same feelings and love for our families.Agreed..though in retrospect I do wish I'd managed to get just a little more name calling in - for spice.
Quote:You've actually inspired me to new heights of explanation of the spirit! But as I said, I'm trying to temper it with actual doctrine. I would never want to be caught in that quandary between uncertainty and fact, just trying to put "gut feelings" into words...so if I have a guilty moment I might run back and change something on you! LOL!By all means, change away. If something occurs to you with regards to some part of our conversation at some later time just quote it and give me the new party line bud.
Quote:But anyway, I just want you to know that my faith in Jesus has been a plus in my life, and those around me. I just can't or won't deny it! And I do pray for you, and the others (always) that somehow God will reveal Himself, and work for good in all your lives! RonAll well and good, though I'd obviously disagree with your assessment of your faiths impact on your life and those of others on at least one count. Now, just so this is clear.....it's never been my intention to force you to deny some part of your faith...quite the opposite. I've been trying to entice you to affirm your faith - to apply it's principles evenly throughout all of your experience....in short...I've been half hoping that you would advocate for vicarious redemption or atonement here - in this world..as part of our own system of handling the same. After all, it's gods system, and you clearly believe it to be the bees knees...shouldn't we be aspiring to that goal?
Somehow I doubt that your prayers are going to have any effect like bumping me up in the line (or any effect, really) - but since I haven't burst into flames and you've presumably been casting a magic spell over me meanwhile...it seems that the sentiment is at least benign - so have at it. Now, if I wake up one morning with a shriveled penis, or my crops rot on the vine.......you're gonna be suspect number one.
All joking aside....perhaps I can help you to see this last bit in a different light. If I'm not willing to accept this deities offer of protection - from itself- (and this for reasons of ethics, dignity, and justice primarily) why would I be willing to accept any other "good" it might offer me? Am I supposed to be grateful or accepting of the loan that Don Jehovah offers....or happy that he deigns to purchase products from my business rather than the business of another? Or relieved that he chooses not to destroy my business despite turning him down on his offer of protection?
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