Explain to me the math behind redemption

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't see the need to pick apart everything I said (unless for show). Some of which was for insight into my way of thinking...but sobeit

Likewise, you've been given insight into my way of thinking. If you don't appreciate my highlighting those areas of your thinking where you have done it poorly that would be to your own detriment. Wouldn't you rather not tq your own god? Now that it's been pointed out to you...don't you think you might avoid it in the future? Or, and I truly hope that this is not the case, will you continue to offer criticism -of your family- in an attempt to establish an incoherent defense -of your god-? If your god needs defending, or can be defended - don't you think it deserves just a little competence in that regard (shouldn't it at least be possible)?

I don't want to change you. I've never tried to change my father or youngest brother of their way of thinking about God. I've had years of practice! We just talk about "why" we think the way we do. Because it's the "process" that leads one to their individual way of thinking. There is really no need to put barriers in front of us!

No, of course not. You don't want to change me.....you're just praying that I'll receive a revelation that changes me........

Unless you think the "others" may think you're getting too comfy with me?

I'm just talking, not converting. I promise.

I'm as "comfy" with you now as I have been from the beginning Ron - and perhaps you should avoid thinly veiled narratives about the inequity or associations of others on the board, and how that might influence my dialogue with you.

I appreciate that you're just talking, and not converting...and even more so I appreciate that you're actually trying to explain some things about your god and your faith rather than hammering the table with a tome and saying "godwillsit!" or "what are you gonna do about it?". -That- is the main reason that you haven't been getting the full measure of my contempt for the ideas that you have expressed (but as we continue to discuss this, and your explanations begin to become thinner and thinner...that patience in me also wanes). If you expect me to sit here and shut my mouth (be the good atheist), letting you prattle on about those ideas (remember..I loathe them.....I could say much, much worse then I have said) uncritically then you have placed an unreasonable restriction upon our conversation. In fact, you will be suggesting that we not engage in conversation at all. You will be talking at me, and not with me.

If you don't want to playtest these things you say - then I'm not your guy....and this forum probably isn't even the place.......

I am not forcing you to respond to me, I am not holding your hand while you type...nor am I composing -what- you type. You know me enough to know at least -the manner- in which I will respond. If you don't like it, if you don't want to have this conversation (for whatever reason) that would be -your- call. But just like I won't sit here quietly while you peddle off incompetent thought..I won't sit here quietly while you suggest that there is some negative value to my calling you out on it...or that I'm not engaging in this discussion properly for having done so.