(June 7, 2013 at 5:17 pm)max-greece Wrote: Because the law is not so extreme and can be changed if it were.The laws are the exact same. Only the age is different. There is no extreme. I just want you to acknowledge that saying something is so because it is so in a legal context is circular reasoning and fallacious. My argument, if accepted as true, would have the legalities change to fit the new truth. Do I get to then say this new truth is true because it is legally so? No, because that's retarded.
Quote:As it happens we are still working on right and wrong between us here. I was merely explaining to you why some of your statements were not safe. We do not live in an ideal Utopian society where laws are not required. We do, however, live in democracies where unfair or improper laws that do not reflect a population's morality get changed. An example of this is the gay marriage legislation that is making its way across Europe as I type.Relevance. Where is it?
Quote:Now we seem to have established puberty as a measure of sexual readiness with apparently some reservation on your part:After they feel the urge to have sex. Other peoples urges are not tangible, of course, but sure we can go by first period and descended testicles. They're pretty good bets.
Beginning, during or after puberty? How do we measure it? You have stated it would be a better indicator for the law. Is it by pubic hair, breast development, first period or other? What did you have in mind?
Quote:In the meantime I would like to investigate the flip-side if you don't mind.
Now we have established that a pubescent (if not earlier) girl (in this case) should be allowed to have a sexual relationship if she wants one. My question is, is she, or someone like her, now fair game? In other words is it OK for men to hit on her on the basis she might think she is ready for sex. If she is not ready how do we advise her to deal with these unwanted sexual advances?
Anyone is already aloud to hit on anyone and there needs to be no basis to allow for that. If someone doesn't want to have sex with someone; they say no. Nobody needs to even tell them that.
Quote:How is a man supposed to know if, when she says no, she means it?I dunno'. I'm just a stupid man and I couldn't possibly know.
But how about if someone says 'no', it is to be taken that they do, in fact, mean 'no.' If someone (man or otherwise) doesn't agree with that, then throw them in jail after they rape.