Gilgamesh,
Why did it become the law?
Other than that it appears you are now massively climbing down from your position. That's a good thing.
Violet,
If your views are as you have, and are, stating then it is a statement of fact that we will never agree.
I have no idea what my opinion of homosexuality would have been had I been borne at a different time in a different place. My entire moral structure would probably have been different. Are you so sure yours is fixed?
Sadly it is not me that has trouble understanding, but I am a patient man and I will go slowly. If I give consent to something, as an adult, that is one thing. I may regret it later and regard my giving consent as a foolish thing to do. With a child however, things are rather different: "Darling - so you mind if I practice my lobotomy skills on you with my new scalpel?" "OK Daddy - what is a lobotomy." "Oh it won't matter in a few minutes." "OK".
According to you I now have the consent of my child to perform a lobotomy on her. The child, however, understood nothing but wants to please Daddy.
Give it a few minutes before replying - you never know - a little knowledge might slip in there during that time.
Consent all the way through the activity is an interesting one: "Daddy - I am not enjoying this." Is that withdrawal of consent? "Oh it will get better darling," might appease it long enough for the act to end. Consent was not withdrawn throughout the duration - according to you. How traumatised might the child be thereafter? Apparently no concern of yours.
As to the direct challenge see http://parenting.stackexchange.com/quest...t-of-lying which starts supporting your position but goes on to explain the world as a 7 year old see it. A child may lie but not to hide the truth as much as to get what it wants.
"Am I ignoring the physical damage that might be done to them, and the psychological damage that could affect them their entire lives? Absolutely. But would I ignore physical damage done to them, and psychological damage that does affect them their entire lives? Absolutely not. " I have no idea what you are saying here. You appear to be contradicting yourself or stating that for this argument you don't care but in reality you do?
As for how we control what our kids wear you do it your way and I'll do it my way. As long as we both have kids outside playing in the snow properly dressed - who cares. My point is simply that the child demonstrates a lack of understanding as to the consequences of their actions. You are corroborating that point even if your method is different. We both have a child on our hands that was initially unable to understand that a summer dress is not suitable for winter conditions. That you think this child might be ready for sex, with an adult no less is astonishing.
Passing a driving test does not prove you can drive - it proves you can pass a test. Ask anyone whether they were as good a driver when they first past their test as they are now and I would be surprised if 1 in 100 answered affirmatively unless they are now incapable for other reasons.
The person that put the 7 year old behind the wheel or allowed it to happen is responsible in my opinion.
" I have no problem imprisoning that child for manslaughter. "
And it is to avoid getting into situations of this ilk that we restrict what children are allowed to do as much as it is whether they actually can or can not do a certain action.
Why did it become the law?
Other than that it appears you are now massively climbing down from your position. That's a good thing.
Violet,
If your views are as you have, and are, stating then it is a statement of fact that we will never agree.
I have no idea what my opinion of homosexuality would have been had I been borne at a different time in a different place. My entire moral structure would probably have been different. Are you so sure yours is fixed?
Sadly it is not me that has trouble understanding, but I am a patient man and I will go slowly. If I give consent to something, as an adult, that is one thing. I may regret it later and regard my giving consent as a foolish thing to do. With a child however, things are rather different: "Darling - so you mind if I practice my lobotomy skills on you with my new scalpel?" "OK Daddy - what is a lobotomy." "Oh it won't matter in a few minutes." "OK".
According to you I now have the consent of my child to perform a lobotomy on her. The child, however, understood nothing but wants to please Daddy.
Give it a few minutes before replying - you never know - a little knowledge might slip in there during that time.
Consent all the way through the activity is an interesting one: "Daddy - I am not enjoying this." Is that withdrawal of consent? "Oh it will get better darling," might appease it long enough for the act to end. Consent was not withdrawn throughout the duration - according to you. How traumatised might the child be thereafter? Apparently no concern of yours.
As to the direct challenge see http://parenting.stackexchange.com/quest...t-of-lying which starts supporting your position but goes on to explain the world as a 7 year old see it. A child may lie but not to hide the truth as much as to get what it wants.
"Am I ignoring the physical damage that might be done to them, and the psychological damage that could affect them their entire lives? Absolutely. But would I ignore physical damage done to them, and psychological damage that does affect them their entire lives? Absolutely not. " I have no idea what you are saying here. You appear to be contradicting yourself or stating that for this argument you don't care but in reality you do?
As for how we control what our kids wear you do it your way and I'll do it my way. As long as we both have kids outside playing in the snow properly dressed - who cares. My point is simply that the child demonstrates a lack of understanding as to the consequences of their actions. You are corroborating that point even if your method is different. We both have a child on our hands that was initially unable to understand that a summer dress is not suitable for winter conditions. That you think this child might be ready for sex, with an adult no less is astonishing.
Passing a driving test does not prove you can drive - it proves you can pass a test. Ask anyone whether they were as good a driver when they first past their test as they are now and I would be surprised if 1 in 100 answered affirmatively unless they are now incapable for other reasons.
The person that put the 7 year old behind the wheel or allowed it to happen is responsible in my opinion.
" I have no problem imprisoning that child for manslaughter. "
And it is to avoid getting into situations of this ilk that we restrict what children are allowed to do as much as it is whether they actually can or can not do a certain action.
