RE: Christians: What kind of heaven do you believe in?
June 17, 2013 at 5:52 am
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2013 at 5:55 am by Zen Badger.)
(June 16, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Pandas United Wrote:(June 16, 2013 at 5:28 am)Zen Badger Wrote: You will have to elaborate as this makes no sense at all.
Surely.
The end goal in Christianity is not that all the Jesus lovers go to heaven and all the unbelievers go to hell. This view that the physical world will be destroyed one day and our immaterial souls will live in eternal bliss is highly influenced by Greek and Platonic philosophy, but it is not what the Bible teaches.
The end goal is the physical resurrection of the dead upon Christ's return on the final day of judgement (Romans 8:18-25, 1 Corinthians 15:21-58, Philippians 3:8-14 20-21). It is fairly hypothetical as to what exactly happens immediately after death here on earth. Based on John 14:1-3, Philippians 1:22-24, and Revelation 6:9-11, 7:9-17 one could make a good argument that the Christians soul/spirit will go to heaven in the meantime (I am highly agnostic as to what happens to the unbeliever at this time). The NT makes it clear that the end goal is the physical resurrection from the dead when the soul/spirit of each person is returned to their body and transformed for immortality Then, after judgement, the people that reject God's invitation for salvation will be thrown into the lake of fire, and the believers will live in the newly established world (New Jerusalem) ever to be in the presence of God in the new heavens and the new earth, having received the redemption of our souls and bodies as well as the creation itself, glorifying God in the form of His creation.
I suggest you read Revelation 20, it's got a lot of details about what the end goal in Christianity will look like. Hope this helps.
Cheers
I have read revelations several times.
A more deranged load of twaddle I have yet to encounter.
I am constantly amazed that people take it seriously.
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(June 17, 2013 at 1:22 am)ronedee Wrote: We know that Jesus said: "Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed."
So basically, Heaven is "light". And "unimaginable", according to Jesus and the scripture.
....and Hell? I'd say "dark". Very dark! No sight... like here on earth.
I'm betting other senses will be fine though! Thats very imaginable!
And you'd just love that wouldn't you, the thought of all those unbelievers and heretics burning in exquisite agony.
I bet it even gives you a little bit of a boner.
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