RE: Four questions for Christians
June 23, 2013 at 9:39 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2013 at 9:56 am by Consilius.)
(June 23, 2013 at 8:30 am)Zen Badger Wrote:The pope's infallibility applies to official church teaching on faith or morals given in ecumenical councils, and not his political or personal opinions.(June 23, 2013 at 8:24 am)Consilius Wrote: Or so that was the thought. It was a false belief that had existed for centuries. We need to keep looking over our doctrines and make corrections where needed. The Church can only move forward and fix the mistakes of the past.
We might wanna check out our gay policy next.
Strange that, considering that the pope is gods agent on earth, and apparently infallible.
(June 23, 2013 at 8:23 am)Zen Badger Wrote:I've posted a lot of material on the Tenth Plague earlier in this thread. God punished Egyptians for killing Israelite babies.(June 23, 2013 at 7:09 am)Consilius Wrote: You are making generalizations. Now you are just reciting a condemnation based off what you've heard and selective and literalist Bible readings. Correct me if I'm wrong.
If you have a specific instance you would like to put forth, then you may do so. I've already talked about much of the traditional condemnation of the Tenth Plague in conversations with cato and Ryantology.
Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
And for no good reason that I can discern.
Exodus15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
God likes war, no surprise there really.
Exodus32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Even more murder.....
I can provide plenty more examples like these, but I think the point is made.
In the NIV Bible version, 'man of war' is translated as 'warrior. And yes, God fights people. That does not imply that he likes war. Wars were frequent in the ancient world, and God helped the Israelites through many of them. Most of these wars were in self-defense. The Bible verse you are referring to was allegedly sung by Miriam after the Israelites had crossed the Red Sea.
Moses clearly asked whether or not the people would still worship the God who they had recently crossed the sea with. Few of them agreed to. Note this was a runaway band of slaves in the middle of the desert who held the only 'true' worship in the world. God was forming a nation for himself, and he needed to request high standards backed by big miracles if he was to keep their faith pure and their religion intact. It wasn't permissible to get off this early in the program. They people who were killed knowingly challenged a power greater than themselves by their unfaithfullness, and decided that they wanted to be rebels. Not that they had questions (like I think God forgot about us after we crossed the sea), they simply didn't care, didn't want to go with the Israelites, and didn't want to have God with them. That is the definition of hell.