(June 23, 2013 at 7:09 am)Consilius Wrote: Why should it be his fault if a cognitive being misinterpreted or bent to his own purpose words that were meant to enforce something good? You are still suggesting "God made me do it."
I see things a little different, with a bit of a wider view than others. In this instance I feel that taking a step back we can see that those people that were under the influence of a statewide religious fervor are indeed acting by the will of god (Gott Mit Uns - "god with us" on nazi belt buckles for instance) I can agree that if there were no religion to whip the masses into frenzy, these monsters would have found something else to control them with, but you have to agree that religion has been the most effective tool of control used by bad people. In realizing this you will see that in a larger scope it definitely is "gods will" when these bad people use your god to attain land and gold and power.
Quote: For the thing with Cortez, this was a political conquest, not a Crusade. The missionaries came to evangelize the people after the Spanish had forced them down.
You are wrong.
{{from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_col...e_Americas
- Colonial expansion under the crown of Castile was initiated by the Spanish conquistadores and developed by the Monarchy of Spain through its administrators and missionaries. The motivations for colonial expansion were trade and the spread of the Catholic faith through indigenous conversions.}}
The missionaries came along with the Spanish conquistadors in 1942.
Quote:The Pope's primary intention was to keep the surplus of knights in Europe from ravaging the countryside by giving them something to do.
You are wrong again. The first crusade was in 1096 and was actually called "the people's crusade" and it involved 20,000 lower class peasants and knights who along the way to the holy land killed 10k jews. The crusade was a disaster and most of the crusaders that pope urban ii had sent to do god's work were killed. In the Albigensian crusade in 1209 hundreds of thousands of cathars (women children priests) were slaughtered in the name of christ because they posed a threat to the catholic church. These are just two examples that prove the fallacy of your statement.
Quote:So the whole Holocaust thing is reduced to racism backed by religion, because when you bring religion into it, people have been proven to do anything without actually thinking about what their religion prescribes.
The holocaust wasn't about religion? That is the most nonsensical statement I have heard so far. You can't murder over 10 million people of a certain religion and then call it racism. I have already stated the fact of the belt buckles, every nazi soldier was acting with gods will or at least that's what they were told. I don't want to be a part of something that can convince people to do that, it is poisonous to the human race.
Quote:There are many more examples. These were just two.
Those examples were wrong. Can I please hear the others?
