(June 23, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote:Simply put:(June 23, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Consilius Wrote: For whatever reason 'eye for and eye' existed in the ancient world, you can take that up with an ancient law court.Couldn't care less, and does nothing to offer a defense of the principle.
Quote:The reason the Tenth Plague disturbs youBzzt, full stop. The tenth plague doesn't disturb me any more than the zombie apocalypse in Resident Evil disturbs me. What disturbs me... is your compulsion to defend the narrative.
Quote:is because you see God killing children for what their parents did. Yes, God did kill children, and their parents bore the consequences of no longer having their firstborn child..
Indeed, and the children bore the consequences of being dead.
Quote:No, there's no argument going on here. For there to be some kind of argument you'd have to offer a coherent position. You have not done so, I've explained why. I -do- find it amusing though, that when you go imagining alternatives they still involve killing somebody. Got"s to be somebody somewhere needs some killin. Amiright?
You would argue that killing the parents would have been a better idea.![]()
Quote: But the Egyptians didn't destroy the lives of grown Israelite men and women, but killed their children.They did neither, but it wouldn't matter if they had.
Quote:You can imagine a parent wanting to die in place of a child. He or she would have to live with the grief. In the ancient world, it was a double blow because the propagation of a family name, which was much more important to them than it is to us (sleeping with slaves serious), was rendered hopeless. The Egyptians hadn't granted the Israelites death, but rather a much more painful blow. God followed their example.I certainly don't care, because
A: none of this happened - and
B: it wouldn't matter if it had.
Quote:In the very same ancient law, reciprocation of offenses was well understood as a punishment to the parents and not the children. The flaw with this is that the children will still feel pain, and therefore be punished for nothing. If God is a perfect judge, why wouldn't we expect that he punish everyone exactly accoriding to their sins? For the Egyptian boys, no punishment at all. For their parents, exactly what they had been giving Israelite parents for the past 80 years or so. The Egyptians died in their sleep and went to heaven.LOL, love the way you can't help but sneak that one in there. Been tried before. Still don;t care, for the same reasons as above.
Quote:The Israelite babies were drowned in rivers. And yes, the Egyptian boys still died, and God killed them.Same as above, a and b.
It's inescapable because you refuse to let go of what was, from the outset, a failure. It's clear that you have a problem with this narrative yourself, you've spent the time trying to make excuses for it. Unfortunately, nothing you can offer which begins with this appeal is going to work. Try something else.
there are no consequences to being dead if you're in paradise.
As I have said before, the Egyptians started killing people all on their own (Exodus 1:22). Possibly God could hae let the Pharaoh off with a stern warning, just like in our modern justice system.