RE: Four questions for Christians
June 24, 2013 at 2:23 am
(This post was last modified: June 24, 2013 at 2:37 am by Consilius.)
I am debating morality in the Bible, and that is an argument on the historical validity of the Bible.
But, as long as you are on that topic, where DID the Israelites come from and what were they doing during the time they allegedly lived in Egypt? The Bible has a lot of secular information in it too, and I think the Israelites could be trusted with their own history.
The Egyptians, unlike the Israelites, didn't die violently, and then went on to infinite joy. The thing about heaven is that it surpasses every other want or desire (as Christians believe).
So, potential problems of being dead are:
Pain in death, which was nonexistent.
Missing your parents, which infinite joy blots out.
Not getting to be a lawyer or a doctor or a pharaoh, which infinite joy blots out.
So, which one of these ambitions is so special, or which sorrow is so deep, that God couldn't possibly compensate for with spending eternity in his prescence.
-in the narrative and your excuse for the narrative, what "god" -did-, was intellectually and morally bankrupt.
You can't calculate the equivalent of having lost a child. But, say you could, by observing pain sensors in the brain or something. A governmental law that says that identity theives should have their toes cut off just sounds unfair.
By reciprocating the actions of the Egyptians according to Egyptian law, it was impossible for the Egyptians to even imagine that they had been punished unfairly. God wanted them to know that they had been judged for what they did, and had not simply had slaves stolen from them or been attacked by a demon.
But, as long as you are on that topic, where DID the Israelites come from and what were they doing during the time they allegedly lived in Egypt? The Bible has a lot of secular information in it too, and I think the Israelites could be trusted with their own history.
(June 23, 2013 at 8:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote:Gladly.(June 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Consilius Wrote: Simply put:Simply put and simply wrong. You are still dead, and the justification you gave for this death was still the act of a moral ,midget. That doesn't change, no matter how many lolipops "god" gives the kiddies. If I hit you in the jaw then bought you a beer, maybe we could be buddies eh? Course...I -will- always be the guy that hit you in the jaw..won't I? Try again.
there are no consequences to being dead if you're in paradise.
The Egyptians, unlike the Israelites, didn't die violently, and then went on to infinite joy. The thing about heaven is that it surpasses every other want or desire (as Christians believe).
So, potential problems of being dead are:
Pain in death, which was nonexistent.
Missing your parents, which infinite joy blots out.
Not getting to be a lawyer or a doctor or a pharaoh, which infinite joy blots out.
So, which one of these ambitions is so special, or which sorrow is so deep, that God couldn't possibly compensate for with spending eternity in his prescence.
Quote:As I have said before, the Egyptians started killing people all on their own (Exodus 1:22). Possibly God could hae let the Pharaoh off with a stern warning, just like in our modern justice system.God could have done many things (depending on what one believes about a god) - but this is irrelevant:
-in the narrative and your excuse for the narrative, what "god" -did-, was intellectually and morally bankrupt.
You can't calculate the equivalent of having lost a child. But, say you could, by observing pain sensors in the brain or something. A governmental law that says that identity theives should have their toes cut off just sounds unfair.
By reciprocating the actions of the Egyptians according to Egyptian law, it was impossible for the Egyptians to even imagine that they had been punished unfairly. God wanted them to know that they had been judged for what they did, and had not simply had slaves stolen from them or been attacked by a demon.
