RE: Debating the existence of Jesus
June 25, 2013 at 3:43 am
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2013 at 3:51 am by Godscreated.)
(June 24, 2013 at 5:44 pm)Rahul Wrote:(June 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Their deaths were instantaneous, they were not imprisoned on numerous occasions, they were not stone, nor whipped for their beliefs, no one threatened their lives over and over. The disciples did not see themselves as martyrs, they actually placed themselves below others, they considered they were servants to others.
And you are basing this on what evidence exactly?
Go look in the NT, I'm tired of doing all the foot work for those who want read what they argue against. Just how is it you can argue against something you have not read and studied.
(June 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Their deaths were instantaneous, they were not imprisoned on numerous occasions, they were not stone, nor whipped for their beliefs, no one threatened their lives over and over.
Stimbo Wrote:I realise I'm going to regret asking this, but why should this make any difference? This is nothing but pure red herring. They martyred themselves for their politico-religious beliefs. Perversely, that makes them far more devout than the typical grassroots theist.
Really, personally I think it's because they are loony toons, what man in his right mind would do such foolishness.
(June 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: The disciples did not see themselves as martyrs, they actually placed themselves below others, they considered they were servants to others.
Stimbo Wrote:Interestingly, that is the exact polar opposite in every particular to almost every theist I've ever encountered. Certainly the outspoken ones.
What I know comes from the scriptures, if one were to read the NT one would find that the disciples were humble servants for Christ and man.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
