RE: Four questions for Christians
July 3, 2013 at 3:28 am
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2013 at 3:43 am by Consilius.)
(July 3, 2013 at 3:15 am)Ryantology Wrote:Now you have left the argument about whether Hitler was following the Bible or not and went into biblical contradiction. It remains that what I claimed the Bible said is true.(July 3, 2013 at 3:05 am)Consilius Wrote: But the Bible says "love your enemies". How then could Christianity be an exclusive, belligerent, supremacist cult?
The God who said "love your enemies" was the same God who casually ordered the annihilation of his people's enemies in the OT. I'm not able to explain why your God is so inconsistent about this.
Quote:Is that a "tu quoque" defense I hear?
Yes, when you asked if Hitler's actions were consistent with the Bible. As my statement is not in defense of any position at all but rather a request for you to clarify your own, I seriously doubt it was mine.
What is said elsewhere in the Bible on the subject of loving enemies is a result of the broken relationship between man and God that is the plot of the Old Testament. Jesus came to make the incomplete law of the OT perfect by preaching it and living it out.
“'You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.'" Matthew 5:43-44
(July 3, 2013 at 3:27 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:The question still remains why killing an innocent will never be acceptable. Clearly man-made laws don't determine the way we react to things.(July 3, 2013 at 3:21 am)Consilius Wrote: Firstly, you cannot claim that you know what and what not a person will do in reaction to something. We are much more complex than that.
Secondly, you are looking at a single event (infanticide) and then applying it to a completely different situation. Turning a child into a machine is different from killing one. One is done for economic benefit, and the latter is done as a punishment on parents. We could argue over infanticide in the Bible, but this is a different subject entirely.
You are dodging the point completely. I said it was a logical conclusion to predict the reactions I predicted. I have the weight of reason and evidence to back my prediction.
Secondly, you were the one who said the situation doesn't matter. And I don't see how it matters. Also, you, and not me, came up with this as an example of how killing lots of children will benefit mankind. Silly me I assumed we would eventually kill them.
The point is that you're attributing my "morality" to your god. When really ... the evidence is not on your side. Your god says one thing but does another then say something else when you ask him later. Please enlighten me on how you can confidently say that god will not do this to children. How did you come to this conclusion?
Edit: Nevermind. Yes your god killed children not to save lives but to prove a point. That proves my point.
You are accusing me of claiming myself the custodian of morality because I have a God on my side. That's not true at all. We ALL agree that certain things are right and wrong, and we ALL can come to logical conclusions about things, just like we ALL can experience goodness.
I argue that the laws God works by are unchanging.