RE: Four questions for Christians
July 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm by pineapplebunnybounce.)
I've editted my previous post, you may want to reread.
And no no no no no. Why is my example wrong then? If a baby just stays home and her father committed a crime and she got killed as punishment. Who on earth did she provoke?
You are claiming to know things that you cannot possibly know. That people have moral compasses but they ignore them. How can you possibly know this? I'm not taking bare assertions seriously.
Psychopaths are BORN THAT WAY. They really got that way by their own.
I never said killing was once good. I said once upon a time it wasn't as clear cut as it is now for us. You're attacking a position I didn't take. I even explained why without moral compasses killing would be extremely bad for the survival of all. Killing people for no reason is very unlikely to be beneficial for anyone.
I did not say morality was dreamed up overnight. Please respond to my actual argument. I said our ancestors learned it the hard way. Repeating what I said in a different tone doesn't make it your argument. If you agree, just say so.
You are again agreeing with me, while trying to make it sound like it's a valid argument against mine, which is the same argument. Yes, we are enlightened by science and now no longer think that being gay is wrong. Where did I disagree with you here? You're saying now that the rest of the world is indoctrinated. You say that because you know their position to be irrational. Whether it is really indoctrination or not has nothing to do with this discussion.
We didn't need to be told that gays should be accepted as equal members of society?! Really? We DID need to be told. You just said a sentence ago that scientific study INFORMED us. Just because we evolve to our current state of morality doesn't mean you can ignore how we got this way. To say that our belief that all men are equal trumps all else is dishonest. Because that thing didn't work so well when slavery was going on did it? I hate to bring up another example to complicate things, but slavery showed that we DID NOT believe that all men are equal. To say that we did not change from then and now, is dishonest, unless you can bring up evidence.
About bible verses: I brought them up because you were championing god's law. The bible is the only document I have that tells me what god's law is. I did not bring it up to make factual assertions. I did not even hold you to the entirety of the bible or to my interpretation, i just asked you many many times to clarify which part you're in favour of, and which part you're not. So don't say I used it against you, because I could easily have held you to all of it, as you brought it up and said that god's laws are unchanging. I brought up 10 commandments to illustrate the point that the people who came up with the religion needed to say murder is wrong. And that is a factual claim, but since the 10 commandments does actually exist, i think my grounds are more or less covered there. It did not in anyway depend upon the bible being a special document. If you want to bring up the bible and say the bible prophesized A, B and C. That won't convince me of anything.
And no no no no no. Why is my example wrong then? If a baby just stays home and her father committed a crime and she got killed as punishment. Who on earth did she provoke?
You are claiming to know things that you cannot possibly know. That people have moral compasses but they ignore them. How can you possibly know this? I'm not taking bare assertions seriously.
Psychopaths are BORN THAT WAY. They really got that way by their own.
I never said killing was once good. I said once upon a time it wasn't as clear cut as it is now for us. You're attacking a position I didn't take. I even explained why without moral compasses killing would be extremely bad for the survival of all. Killing people for no reason is very unlikely to be beneficial for anyone.
I did not say morality was dreamed up overnight. Please respond to my actual argument. I said our ancestors learned it the hard way. Repeating what I said in a different tone doesn't make it your argument. If you agree, just say so.
You are again agreeing with me, while trying to make it sound like it's a valid argument against mine, which is the same argument. Yes, we are enlightened by science and now no longer think that being gay is wrong. Where did I disagree with you here? You're saying now that the rest of the world is indoctrinated. You say that because you know their position to be irrational. Whether it is really indoctrination or not has nothing to do with this discussion.
We didn't need to be told that gays should be accepted as equal members of society?! Really? We DID need to be told. You just said a sentence ago that scientific study INFORMED us. Just because we evolve to our current state of morality doesn't mean you can ignore how we got this way. To say that our belief that all men are equal trumps all else is dishonest. Because that thing didn't work so well when slavery was going on did it? I hate to bring up another example to complicate things, but slavery showed that we DID NOT believe that all men are equal. To say that we did not change from then and now, is dishonest, unless you can bring up evidence.
About bible verses: I brought them up because you were championing god's law. The bible is the only document I have that tells me what god's law is. I did not bring it up to make factual assertions. I did not even hold you to the entirety of the bible or to my interpretation, i just asked you many many times to clarify which part you're in favour of, and which part you're not. So don't say I used it against you, because I could easily have held you to all of it, as you brought it up and said that god's laws are unchanging. I brought up 10 commandments to illustrate the point that the people who came up with the religion needed to say murder is wrong. And that is a factual claim, but since the 10 commandments does actually exist, i think my grounds are more or less covered there. It did not in anyway depend upon the bible being a special document. If you want to bring up the bible and say the bible prophesized A, B and C. That won't convince me of anything.
