RE: Four questions for Christians
July 7, 2013 at 3:34 am
(This post was last modified: July 7, 2013 at 3:54 am by Consilius.)
God has all of them. It's these three attributes, along with omnibenevolence, that make him God.
Well, I ALSO believe in gay marriage AND polygamy, so we have the same views here.
Of course, though, if gays are doing it for fun, it's far more disturbing to the Christian community than it is for others. I'm sure atheists never lifted a finger over the issue. We can say the CHRISTIAN community's gay ethic is changing.
If we all agree that we should lie to each other and betray our friends, it does NOT become OK. I feel that is a very dangerous thought. If it takes 50,000 Americans breaking the law for anarchy to reign, it is only because legislation can be changed at the will of the people. With morals, it is not the same. Why didn't the abolitionists think that slavery was OK when all of the slave routes were good and running? Slavery was never OK, no matter how many people thought it was for however long, and someone needed to put a stop to it and get us back on track. Human morality is like a self-repairing system.
As for religious texts, I was referring to humanity as a whole, and possibly primary sources other than the Bible. In the face of injustice, there will always be the religious to advocate for the right. Most of the abolitionists were Christian and used Christian propaganda in the abolition of slavery.
Because you think that there is gender inequality in the Christian Old Testament doesn't allow you to conclude that the Bible says women are worth less than men.
(July 6, 2013 at 9:42 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Perhaps I should make my position on gays clear. i think people are people. if they want to fake gay it's their freedom, if the entire thing is a scam, i won't hold a thing against them and i'll still be in support of gay marriage. It's a little thing called freedom. i see no reason why anyone should not deserve to do so. I'm actually also in favour of polygamy IF everything is consensual and if it can be legalized properly without anyone being scammed in the process. See, this is where what is right and wrong really differs between us. I'm not saying i condemn your position, i'm saying you cannot deny that there's a difference.
Quote:Because what we accept to be right can change
Hate to break it to you, but it's the only type of right and wrong that exists.
Quote:we need moral constants (e.g. religious texts) to keep us as close to what moral is as possible.
No we don't. I come from a very irreligious culture. I got sucked into christianity at an older age, and got out fairly quickly. The muslims in my country are shariah law and the nonmuslims tiptoes around them to prevent getting sucked in. You need to look at the truly religious communities before you can say that religious texts are what give people morals. In chinese culture, texts of philosophers and thinkers are what we refer to almost religiously. And if you look at chinese community you can still find a lot of people who believe that women are worth less than men. This is practiced to such extreme that I know plenty of people now whose parents believe that they're worth less than their brothers and should marry a rich man as soon as possible. The same concept was condoned by your bible and by the quran. To say that one book can tell the entire world what is supposedly right and wrong, is a bit too ridiculous, and cultures who have acted that way have paid for it. In muslim countries they believe that women should cover up to prevent men from raping them. If a woman walks out in a bikini she has done wrong and brought shame upon her family and deserves some inhumane punishment. i bring this up despite the fear that you will try and defend these men's actions. They, just like you and i, know right from wrong. It's just that different things fall into different categories for them. To say that no, they're just confused, they need to read the right book to understand what truly right and wrong, is a bit naive.
Well, I ALSO believe in gay marriage AND polygamy, so we have the same views here.
Of course, though, if gays are doing it for fun, it's far more disturbing to the Christian community than it is for others. I'm sure atheists never lifted a finger over the issue. We can say the CHRISTIAN community's gay ethic is changing.
If we all agree that we should lie to each other and betray our friends, it does NOT become OK. I feel that is a very dangerous thought. If it takes 50,000 Americans breaking the law for anarchy to reign, it is only because legislation can be changed at the will of the people. With morals, it is not the same. Why didn't the abolitionists think that slavery was OK when all of the slave routes were good and running? Slavery was never OK, no matter how many people thought it was for however long, and someone needed to put a stop to it and get us back on track. Human morality is like a self-repairing system.
As for religious texts, I was referring to humanity as a whole, and possibly primary sources other than the Bible. In the face of injustice, there will always be the religious to advocate for the right. Most of the abolitionists were Christian and used Christian propaganda in the abolition of slavery.
Because you think that there is gender inequality in the Christian Old Testament doesn't allow you to conclude that the Bible says women are worth less than men.
