Four questions for Christians

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I don't know where you got "only religion has morals" from. The "natural law" I referred to is the moral standard of nature.

Really, I'm done with this part of the discussion.

If someone goes around selling their lives to people, that's their own business, although it would be odd in the 21st century. Do you have a right to tell them that they can't pay their debts by working for households?

Don't change slavery to "working for households". How many times do you want to try this? It's selling themselves to a household, there's a difference between being an employee and being someone's property. And yea, we do have laws that say that people cannot become property. How immoral of us.

God was weaning people from expecting social rights to leading good lives. There is injustice in the world today, and God isn't rallying the marginalized to strike back at their offenders, because some wars are never won. Establishing justice is good in itself, but that shouldn't be the focus of life. Dying with an unheard cry isn't a failure because life is more than your marriage rights or your wealth or your race. It's not about winning the fight for rights either. It's about being the best person you can be.

So your religion's view is that, yes, bad things happen, I'm not going help you change that, neither should you focus on changing that, but just be a good person?

Paul didn't defend slavery neither did he oppose it. His message was that it simply didn't matter if you were free or in bondage, because God is always with you and he cares about you if no one else does. He said that we shouldn't worry about if the government will ever hear our voices or if we are stepped on the wealthy, because there were more important things than standing up for rights.

Didn't matter to him. Because he wasn't a slave. Religious people do seem very impervious to others' suffering.

One passage is enough for you? The Bible is a unified whole, and not a word of it is self-sufficient. The only reason I see that you don't want to accept it that way is because I gave you evidence that conflicted your conclusion. A conclusion you got from five words.

I mean, come on, does anyone think that's fair? Are we going to take Bible snippets and throw them at Christians without even finishing the sentence? I'm not saying it's true, but it just makes the claimant look desperate. Really.

ok fine, it's not just one passage. it's also all those OT laws and crap about women. Which you're going to say doesn't apply anymore, because jesus came and lalala, but they apply to me. and really however much you dance around the issue of women's rights in the bible, i doubt you'll convince me that the bible believes in equality, just like you failed to convince me that god killing children was just. Somethings are just impossible to justify.

Loving someone is about forgiving their mistakes. Not about starting over the second it stops acting exactly how you would have preferred it. Hell is for those who don't want to love God, and so they spend eternity in his absence. I'm sorry, it's not an inferno made for kids who use swear words.

1. noah's ark
2. the NT says if you call someone stupid you'll burn in hell.

You can't sell yourself? So be it. I wasn't encouraging it, anyway. Owning anyone in any way is something we are all uneasy about.
It's not that fighting for the rights of yourself or others is unimportant. It's just that you may not win, and you need to live that way (if you are the person being persecuted). The scrawny kid will probably never grow muscles and throw the bully into the dumpster. So be it. Christians once were persecuted, and they didn't start riots when they were arrested and tortured. They prayed. Winning your fight isn't what gives your life value, although that's what everyone notices. It's the kind of person you were in it.
Paul was persecuted for his entire career as a missionary and died a martyr. He knew what suffering meant. But he didn't care because he knew it didn't matter, and that's what he preached.
Jesus' teachings are relevant to much of the OT, but not all of it. But I did describe why a woman would seem less important in a warlike, nomadic desert people.
I've spent 10 pages on the Tenth Plague. Are you going to open up that can of worms all over again?

I had a feeling someone would bring up the Flood when I said that. Weren't Noah and his family descendants of Adam? The flood is a legend of how God preserved the good in his creation and got rid of the bad. Those who didn't want him were uprooted from the earth he created, and those who wanted him were preserved. Creation was preserved in the Flood.
"21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell." Matthew 5:21-22
Hate is sinful and draws you away from God. Insulting another person is hateful. Hate is sinful. Sin is ungodly. Therefore, you are drawing yourself away from God and closer to a place where God is not (Hell).

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The concept itself is logically impossible.

Funny, you can understand it when applied to simple thought experiments. But when it comes to god, it escapes you that your answer right here is why atheists exist.

The application of rational, logical thought is what deconverts believers every day. As a thinking christian, you have to jump through so many cognitive hoops to rationalize the major fallacy that a true belief in YHWH is. With so much evidence pointing to the fact that the creation of the idea of the abrahamic god is just a culmination of so many false beliefs preceding it, it's a wonder that anyone takes this seriously anymore.

Could there be a god, a higher existence, a creative force? Sure....maybe.

But the iron age war god is not a plausible candidate for such a position. Sorry.

What did "iron age" and "war" have to do with anything I just said?
A higher existence that brought the universe itself—including all we know to be conceivably possible into existence would have to be omnipotent. You arrive at the same "problem", whether the force you are referring to is Yahweh or Odin or the god of deism.
Let's go into more disproofs for such a force. "Can Yahweh commit sin?" "Can Yahweh forget stuff?" Why should these be cause for a deconversion? In fact, they are encouraging. Let me change my answer. God CAN do all these things. The reason he doesn't and never will is because it is contradictory to his nature, and, as God, his nature will remain constant because he wills to keep it that way. God WILL NOT make a rock he can't lift because he is all-powerful. God WILL NOT cease to exist because he promises to be with his people, and he WILL NOT lie because he is truth. God WILL NOT change, nor is he under the inclination to do so, because he doesn't behave like humans do. That fact in itself will not change, in the same way two plus two will not change to five under any circumstances.