RE: Four questions for Christians
July 9, 2013 at 5:27 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2013 at 5:45 am by Consilius.)
(July 9, 2013 at 1:21 am)evenheathen Wrote:Are you asserting Christ never existed? There are atheists who would say otherwise.(July 9, 2013 at 12:57 am)Consilius Wrote: God's incredibly specific laws of the OT were meant to distinguish the Jews as God's people who preserved God's law in a world that had forgotten it.The specific laws of the OT were written by the people of the Jewish culture at the time to be directly influential to the people of that culture at that time. Interesting that Deuteronomy was "found" as a book of god's law at the same time as the other books redacted by Ezra were presented by the court of Josiah in Judah after the exile.
(July 9, 2013 at 12:57 am)Consilius Wrote: Yes, the Jews wrote the laws down, and the laws were made to be compatible with the Jewish people. The laws were lost at times and later rediscovered.This is because the concept of heaven and hell had not been invented yet in ancient Jewish culture. The idea of 'living on" was thought of as one's legacy, hence the importance of inheritance and blessings of the firstborn sons.
(July 9, 2013 at 12:57 am)Consilius Wrote: Exactly. The Bible does not use heaven as an incentive.Apologetics 101. God didn't kill people, people killed themselves using god as the weapon. Even though god loved all of those people as much as he loves you. It was just a different time back then. But god never changes.
(July 9, 2013 at 12:57 am)Consilius Wrote: God killed off the antediluvian society because it simply refused to accept him, its creator. The gift of life they received from him was revoked.
The times change with the creation of new covenants made with different people, but the maker of the covenant does not change. What God does does not affect who he is.
The whole point of religion, all religion, is to make sense of weird, bad shit happening around them in the natural world. Human tendency is pattern seeking and we tend to anthropomorphize what we don't understand. The whole point of christianity is to legitimize the horrible things that happen in a natural world and give hope to those that will believe. It's been the tendency of mankind to do this from the onset of sentience, hence a billion different religions. Christianity had the help of Rome.
(July 9, 2013 at 12:57 am)Consilius Wrote: A true anthropomorphization would require giving a face to the thing being anthropomorphized. Judeo-Christian theism refuses to do this, despite the prevalence of the concept of gods living in nature elements and in statues.
Christianity got its help from Rome after receiving the opposite for 300 years. Christianity owes its prevalence to its Christians.
We are yet to find good evidence of the crucifixion of a significant christ ever happening.
(July 9, 2013 at 1:42 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:Hate needs to be leveled at actions, not at people. If you hate someone for who they are and not for what they do, the hate is sinful.Quote:God's incredibly specific laws of the OT were meant to distinguish the Jews as God's people who preserved God's law in a world that had forgotten it. But these laws were only part of the formula. In the OT, the physical was used to indicate the spiritual, but in the NT, Christ showed the full path to salvation was based on the spiritual.What? So god used his laws to choose a group of people and abandon the rest of the world. Then he tricked them into following the laws, when actually, if only they had lived till christ came, they'd find the true path to salvation had nothing to do with all those laws?
Quote:Is having a Torah a special privilege? I thought morals were evolutionary.
The rituals of the Jewish law were useless in themselves. It was the symbolism and the spirit in which the rituals were performed that they had true power. The physical stuff was easy to do and hard to forget, and helped a people who didn't know the true way follow it.
you don't know what equality means either do you? Yea, one thing your god is quite consistent about is never teaching his people much. Oh, it was hard to survive in the desert, let's resort to the ways you already know. oh, you think your women are worth less, ok i don't know how to explain to you, so let's play along with that as well. If god was as smart as all you people put it, you'd think he'll teach them something useful. Not like he's above meddling with their "fates".
Quote: The Jews didn't have derogatory views of women and God didn't encourage any. Women couldn't live alone for very physical reasons, and the Jewish laws were adapted to fit this common practice. Men protected women, and the laws recognized that.Yea i know what you mean, sometimes when i'm writing and nothing sounds right, i'd delete the entire thing but the title. i'm preserving it you see, not starting over. The title's my vessel.
Quote:The subject of your essay did not change because you thought the title was perfectly fine. The essay lives on in your title, and simply needs to start over through the title, which you accepted as meeting your standards.Nope, that's not bad either. You were the one who said hate is sin, sin is ungodly. that is word for word.