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Encouragement and Advice
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RE: Encouragement and Advice
What fun!

First off, keep something in mind. If you really want to believe the rebuttals offered, you will. I will try to offer an alternative opinion of what you’ve wrote, and it will be up to you to determine which seems more reasonable. Things that are irrational tend to stand out. Just trust your gut, and lean towards ideas that you have better reason to believe. Okay? Let’s do it!
(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 1) Do babies and children go to hell?
No because children are not old enough to understand and make their own decisions to be accountable.

If certain attributes of God are beyond the scope of human ability, and God is the all-powerful creator that loves his creatures more than I could ever love my own babies, is there really any age that people could reach that would be acceptable to send to hell? If I have free will, can I choose not to go to hell? If not, who is making me go? Can God make an alternative destination? Why is God limited to just these two options? Why do neither of these options display characteristics of free-will?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 2) Is the New Testament reliable?
Yes because the Old Testament points directly to Jesus and the New Testament.
Unacceptable response. This is called circular logic. The Old Testament hasn’t been proven yet. This reasoning can be quickly rejected. It is begging the question and fallacious.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 3) If God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent he created hell, so therefore how can hell be separation from God if he is everywhere?
Hell is separation from God as God chooses not to be in hell with others.
It looks as though you’ve actually worked this one out on your own. Let me just re-arrange it so that it looks a little clearer.
“Hell is separation from God as God chooses not to be in hell with others.”
Response: How can Hell be separation from God if he is omnipresent (can be everywhere)?
Remember, 2 responses. Ask yourself which one sounds more reasonable.




(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 4) Why did God create hell for eternal torment and torture?
God never mentioned hell as eternal torment and torture – Well not really, many people think dying and having nothing when they die is Torture much like the same way being without God will be torture. God does not tell us a lot about hell.
So, none of the information came from God directly?
How do we know about Hell?
Secondly, if there is nothing after death (no company of Gods), how can that be torture? Have you ever slept, and not dreamed? During that state, were you frightened? Did you feel torture?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 5) Jesus took the punishment for all our sins – So based upon that to pay our debt should he not be in hell for eternity considering he died a sinner?
No Jesus did not die a sinner at all Jesus was sinless but took the burden of other peoples sin creating a paradox that he could not stay in hell because he himself was a sinner however he could get there because of the sins.
Is death a fair exchange for sins?
If I die, do I automatically get to go to heaven, or has Jesus already stamped that ticket?
Why does an all-powerful God, that is infinitely compassionate and loving, require human sacrifice in exchange for the sin he allows?
If God was perfect, he would have everything. He certainly wouldn’t have any need for a human sacrifice.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 6) As we know the Bible has been edited and re-written many times, do you think God would punish people for not believing when those same people want to believe but cannot because they cannot trust the Bible?
Yes because they should trust the bible irrespective – It’s God’s word and is never wrong.
Should I read The Bible?
-Yes
Why?
-It’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
-It says so in The Bible
Should I read The Bible?
And away we go!

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 7) Why would God punish us for eternity in hell for a Finite sin?
It’s not that he wants to punish us, It’s because it’s basically the final straw – God did all he could during our earthly lives after which we will be removed from his presence.
God did everything he could, but failed to accomplish his goal? Does this sound like a bullet on the resume of an omnipotent being?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 8) Did God create evil?
No God created rules in which he deemed were against what his will was, People going against Gods will are evil.
People are acting in a manner that is consistent with their nature. If God created us, in his image, and we are born into sin, then we are inherently sinners as a product of God. There is no way to dodge this one, its irreconcilable.
Also, all of this is contingent upon free will being true. It has not been shown to be so. In fact, evidence is stacking up against it.
(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 9) Why did God Punish Job?
Because Job was to act as an example for future generations.
Did God know that:
A: People would clearly not know it was supposed to be an example, but instead, have it be seen as an objection to his existence.
B: If God knew that is would not be an effective example, why did he do it anyway?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 10) Why when I started breaking away from God and asked for him to Guide me one last chance did he ignore me?
It’s because for years you have been walking further and further away and you don’t know which way to turn this is of your own making.

First of all, How do they know that? Can they prove it? Secondly…
Christmas morning, a little girl is disappointed to see that there are no presents. She asks her Dad whether or not Santa is real.
The prideful and cruel Father that loses his job around Christmas time, tells his child that Santa is real, and that the reason she didn’t get presents this year was because she was bad and Santa didn’t come to her house this year.
The humble and loving Father that loses his job around Christmas time tells his child that she need not feel as though she’s been bad. He explains that he lost his job and didn’t have money for presents. He allows her to work out that Santa Claus is not real; that she did nothing wrong, and he loves her.

Would you prefer a harsh truth over a comforting lie?

I hope you can see the comparison.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 11) If an Ancient Tribe has not heard about God where do they go?
They will go to heaven because they have now knowledge.
I hope there’s no rapists and murderers there. If there are, it seems that God favors rapists and murderers, so long as they’d never had the chance to reject a story another person told about His existence. Does that make sense to you?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 12) So what you’re saying is that Christianity should not be preached as people who are ignorant can go to heaven yet those who hear Gods word and reject it will go to heaven?
Yes this is correct, it is because in their heart and mind and soul they will seek God.
Hmmm…The very act of human beings telling God stories makes us all more likely to go to hell?..AND..GOD TELLS HIS PEOPLE TO SPREAD THE WORD???? WHAT? What happened to all the important parts about A/S/K? I would be quite skeptical of this reasoning.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 13) Would it not have been better not to have been born?
No because God gave us free will we then decided to go against it!
Free will? Did you get to choose that you would be born into a family that lives in say, America?
Did you choose to be born into a Christian Household?
Did the Hindu child choose his birth details?
Does anybody really have free will?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 15) When God says ‘I AM’ he is meaning ‘Mind your own business’?
No God is saying that is name is the unspeakable name that the taught to Moses.
Hmmm…I don’t really understand this one. Not sure I see how its relevant.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 16) Do you believe in the Book of Revelation?
I don’t know.
Refer to question number 6.
“Yes because they should trust the bible irrespective – It’s God’s word and is never wrong.”
Refer to my response to 6.



(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 17) Do you believe it is in some way scriptural and literal?
I don’t know.
Refer to 6. Repeat as needed.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 18) If someone decides not to believe in God throughout this life – Although God said he would cast people into the lake of fire for eternity, Do you think at the end he will save everyone?
No because God cannot show his Justice to these people if he saves them anyway?
How do you know that? Second, if I am free to do as I please, but God doesn’t want me with him, can I just disappear from existence? If I am subjected to hell and fire, what makes me think it will hurt if my physical body has ceased to live?


(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 19) What if people in heaven pray to God to forgive them or to take pity, Surely Jesus said anything they ask for he will give them?
Yes but this does not show Gods love if he allows them forgiveness as he has to be a fair and Just God.
Fair to who? Would it be fair to ask the person, after they were standing in front of God, and could see heaven, and had all the information and evidence, would it be fair for God to ask the person if he was sure he really wanted to go to hell? Doesn’t that sound fair?

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 20) What is heaven like?
We worship and praise God forever!
That sounds like it sucks.
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Messages In This Thread
Encouragement and Advice - by themonkeyman - August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by FallentoReason - August 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Tonus - August 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Godschild - August 9, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 9, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Undeceived - August 10, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Captain Colostomy - August 10, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 10, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by CleanShavenJesus - August 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Drich - August 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by pocaracas - August 10, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by The Reality Salesman - August 12, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by NoraBrimstone - August 13, 2013 at 5:29 am

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