RE: Jesus and Miracles
August 17, 2013 at 4:43 am
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2013 at 5:08 am by fr0d0.)
(August 16, 2013 at 8:42 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(August 16, 2013 at 7:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I didn't read past this epic fail.
It depends on how you define natural? Rising from the dead is certainly not normal. How do you know that the Providential order does not include a means of resurrection that operates under His rational governance of reality?
Personally I do not belief miracles upset the order of the universe. Instead I think they expand our notion of the possible.
It depends how you define miracles. Everything is a miracle, if you are in awe of it.
If you state that the natural order IS God, that this is what he set in motion, then this dismisses an interventionalist God, and I don't think that it's correct. I hope I understand you correctly.
(August 16, 2013 at 11:37 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:(August 16, 2013 at 11:25 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Supernatural events cannot be proved to be supernatural.
Because our means of proving things are through natural ways. So far so good?
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(August 16, 2013 at 11:37 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:Quote:If they really are supernatural, you will always be able to doubt that they are.
Only if it acts identically to natural phenomena, which is what you've explicitly said before. So far so good?
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Supernatural acts can always be explained away naturally, but that doesn't mean that they actually were natural acts. It's possible to construct a natural cause in explanation that doesn't acknowledge the actual cause.
(I'm going to have to respond to your post in parts because it'd be too difficult to do otherwise on my phone)
