What Is The Point Of Prayer?

[Sword of Christ]

Isn't it good, then, that you didn't ask that, and display a staggering ignorance, not only of the big bang theory

That's not what I'm asking about. Where did the laws of physics that created the BBT we understand originate? Why did it happen the way it did and not some other way that wouldn't have produced life? And we know for a fact life wouldn't exist in this universe had anything happened differently.

but also the burden of proof and the position of most atheists.

The that something of this magnitude was a purely some kind chance coincidence that doesn't exist for any kind of specific purpose is a very big claim to make. This isn't a trivial thing to believe in.

Isn't it fortuitous that I don't have to sit here now and explain to you that your description of the big bang there is an idiotic and previously refuted strawman

The science behind the BB and the cosmological formation of the universe is perfectly fine I'm not trying to argue about that.

and that the actual big bang theory doesn't involve an explosion for no reason.

Reason as in it was intentionally created for the purpose of forming/evolving organic life/civilisations and all that kind of thing. It makes sense that the most complex final outcome was the initial direction behind it. Otherwise it "just happened" by chance. You know this is all a bit unlikely.

Aren't you happy that I don't have to remind you that, of the two of us, it is the creationist account of life that involves something coming from nothing for no reason, not the big bang theory?

Evolution happened of course but clearly there was certainly some kind of progression over a global scale of increasing organisation and complexity and organisation overtime and we're the final most complex product. If the universe as a whole was directional toward life then life can be directional towards sentience and civilization.

Doesn't it save time for me not to have to point out to you that the majority of the universe isn't structured for life, that the parts of it that are aren't ideal for it, and that your meaningless

The universe was structured in such as way to develop structures (solar systems/planets) suitable for life. The whole thing had to be engineered a certain way for this to be accomplished. There wasn't a margin for error for any of this. You're not going to form something like this by blind chance coincidence. Look at this son of a bitch right here.



You're seeing this? That's complex structure.

Here look.



That's a complex sequence of finely crafted development overtime. The product being ourselves.

I find this business somewhat interesting as well. I think life much as the universe in general must be set on some kind of intricate mathematical framework and there is some general kind of direction or flow behind it. This way we can still be creations of God even if the process is a little less direct than that described in Genesis.

anthropomorphization of the formation of the universe is ineffective as an argument because it's only even an issue if we take a designer as read; it's defining a problem into existence, and without a designer there is also no design, and thus the chances of something happening the way it did are moot.

I would strongly suggest that there is some kind of design and we can actually see it with our own eyes. This isn't really one of those "if you wish hard enough it just might be true" kind of things here.

Even Charles Darwin believed life was made a Creator.

"There is grandeur in this [natural selection] view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Natural selection is a real enough but all it does is sieve through the genetic material presented to it. It has no capacity to introduce new genetic material. And neither really does random point mutation which essentially deletes genetic information from the organism. Though of course Darwin himself knew nothing about DNA or mutation. Chances are he would have disagreed with what his theory has been developed into given the evidence we have.

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Isn't it nice that I don't have to waste my time posting this evidence for the big bang? And isn't it equally nice that I don't have to remind you that what I just posted is real evidence and not just a series of assertions, like your position has been so far?

All the evidence you want to use is evidence I'd use to claim that there is a design/purpose therefore a designer and purpose giver. This will be God.

Again, it's lucky you didn't! Because you would just look like a fucking dumbass if you did, given that this isn't an atheist position, and I'd have to remind you that the burden of proof lies on you, if you want to claim that there's something more than that.

Do you believe your consciousness is a byproduct of chemical reactions in your brain or don't you? If you don't believe in God or the supernatural (insert whatever you want to call it) then you can't be anything else. Everything you think, feel and do would be a result of chemical reactions reacting to environmental stimulus like some kind of a machine. If you don't believe this then you're not really an atheist/naturalist as you would believe there is something more to it. We can call it God.

Because they're wrong. The existence of prayer doesn't mean prayer works, or do you say the same of not allowing black cats to cross your path?

It doesn't seem to me like it would have any kind of survival advantage at all. Given the amount of time and energy humanity has invested into this business. Seems to me like there would be something interesting laying behind it.

No, because prayer is a sociological phenomenon. If you wanted the evolutionary purpose behind fostering the kinds of beliefs that would lead to religion I could make a case, though.

The phenomenon was right there at the very beginning as far as we can tell. It certainly predates civilization by tens of thousands of years and covering the entire planet. So there's going have to be some other explanation for it beyond sociology. This won't be a purely culture thing even if culture does appear to be a factor in shaping someones religious beliefs and practice. Certainly something that has been around for this length of time must have something going for it.