RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(August 26, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: You cannot have it both ways, illogical numbskull. You cannot state there must be a creator for the creation, because something can't come from nothing, and then ignore the logical fact that there must also be a creator for the Creator.
If the Creator was created by something then he would not be the Creator but part of the creation itself!
Quote: If you cannot accept that the universe just is, then you also cannot accept that God just is without reasonably stating that there must be a reason behind His creation.
1) The universe exists and has an explanation for it's existence and the explanation for it's existence is an eternal non-physical source outside of time and space which is Creator of time and space.
2) Universe is...well it just exists without any explanation at all.
Any explanation for something makes far far far more sense than literally no explanation at all.
Quote: Who or what created your god and for what purpose? Answer below:
Christians don't believe in a created God this is irrelevant. You could use this argument on a Mormon perhaps but they would just say "More Gods".
Quote: Your god was created by man to fill in the gaps of knowledge surrounding his origin.
The Pagan gods may have filled in some gaps but the Biblical God explains all the things we do know about.
Quote:That's not what he said, and you know it. The laws of physics directed it, so it wasn't exactly random now, was it?
Either the universe (and associated laws of physics) is purposefully made the way it is or it's the way it is just because it is the way it is.
Quote:You have to presuppose god to come to that conclusion. Not knowing the answer is actually the correct response.
I don't claim to know whether God exists either but I have faith that God exists based on good evidence and philosophical reasons. I think it's good evidence but we can disagree. You don't know if hard scientific naturalism is true or not either but it seems to be what you have faith in for whatever reason.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.