(August 26, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Do you understand now? Your argument might as well just show that "stuff exists, and used to be other stuff" QED. You are missing your point by a LONG shot.
It's just a simple deduction of logic. If something begins to exist then something caused it to exist. If something didn't cause it to exist then it wouldn't have begun to exist. We know everything that exists, that didn't always exist, must have been made by something else that exists. The universe we know for a fact had a beginning with the BB therefore it is something that began to exist. This is just factually what we know.
ok, let's try this.
What is the meaning of "Object A exists before time exists" ?
Cause and effect cannot be applied so linearly to the Universe's origin.
Some claim that space and time began with the big bang. There is no "before" the big bang.
Now, for something completely different.
Some 50 thousand years ago, when mankind first thought about the wonders of the cosmos and arrived at "the only logical answer" of goddidit... what did these people know of the Universe that would have them arrive at such a conclusion?
As far as I'm aware, they had no notion of the expansion of the Universe, hence no idea of a big bang, and so knew nothing of the beginning of the Universe. How did they do it?