Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?

[pocaracas]

We don't care that god exists because it's not our claim.

No no you're claiming you should not believe God exists unless you have 100% certain scientific proof of some kind (which we don't have obviously). I'm saying you should believe God exists and I'm explaining why you should believe God exists with the logic I've just given you. I'm not just stating what I believe without proof here, I've given you good logical reasons for the belief. It's a very simple deduction of cause and effect and the nature of the single cause of all the effects that exist, whether it be in this universe, other universes or whatever else that exists in reality. You must have one single starting point in common for everything and the starting point has no start itself (point of creation), ie it is outside of time/events in a sequence. You have the cause of the sequence of all events everywhere, and so the prime mover. There is no burden of proof needed for this it follows logically to a conclusion. If there was no cause then there could have been no effects but there was an effect if we're here. There must be only one cause for everything and whatever caused everything is uncaused.

ok, let's assume, for a moment, there was actually something that caused the Universe into existence.
How do you jump from that to "it was a very complex entity with amazing powers"?
And then, how do you go from that to "it was the god of love, who hates people who don't believe it exists, based solely on what other people tell them"?

I prefer the "I don't know" position. And, as far as I've been made aware from other threads, so do most atheists around here.
Our current knowledge of the Universe's past extends only to the big bang... and it is riddled with assumptions. Somewhat reasonable assumptions, but assumptions nonetheless.
What was before the big bang may be a sea of empty space stock full of virtual particles.... or... there was no before the big bang and nothing can be said about it... or...we don't know... maybe someday we'll find out... maybe not.
But the one thing we don't do is assume a complex entity exists in order to create the simpler Universe. This "god hypothesis" is merited, by us, less than one percent odds of turning out to be reality. Some award it a big fat round zero%.

This is how logic works.