(August 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(August 27, 2013 at 5:11 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Your mistake is presuming creation as a necessity. Try again.
All things that exist anywhere in reality were caused by something else that exists that brought them into existence to begin with, this is why they exist. What the bloody hell is your problem here?
Your inability to discern everything from (Universe plus god).
Your first premise concerns everything within the Universe.
A Helium atom's nucleus was caused into existence by the fusion of two hydrogen atom nuclei and two neutrons thrown into the mix. Both these things were already existing, only in a different form. two protons and two neutrons. As a Helium nucleus, these 4 particles are simply arranged in a particular way, different from the original arrangement.
What you propose is that you can take this mechanism whereby everything that exists is a transformation from something to something else using the same basic components and you extrapolate it to "there was nothing and then *puff* something exists". The *puff* you explain with a super powerful entity willing the transformation.
This extrapolation is completely illogical, as the premise does not include the mechanism of transforming nothing into something.
We simply say that we don't know what was before the big bang, if there was a "before the big bang", because that's the most honest position there can be.
I hope you finally understand why we don't accept your reasoning.
