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Trinity
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RE: Trinity
(August 29, 2013 at 12:36 pm)Brakeman Wrote:
(August 29, 2013 at 7:22 am)Brakeman Wrote:
They didn't, that is all scripture twists to cover a hole.

The jews strongly deny all of your claims.( Continued..)
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles...sandjesus/
C. TORAH OBSERVANCE

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37) For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
How do you answer Duet 13:1-4 here? Jesus certainly didn't do this..

Jesus is God. Simple really.
Jesus said in Luke 16:17 "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 Do not think I've come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:6 "I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7) And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8) For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath."
Jesus said in Mark 2:27 And he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28) So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath."
Jesus said in John 7:23 If on the Sabbath day a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with Me because on the Sabbath I made a whole man's body well? Do not judge by appearances, but judge by right judgement."
These are verses in which Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath spoke about the law and the Sabbath.

Now let's examine the verses you used, John 1:45 Phillip found Nathanael and said to him,"We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
John 9:16 Some of the Pharisees said,"This man is not from God, for He does not keep the Sabbath." But others said,"How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?" And there was a division among them.
Now I might not be the smartest person around, however I really see no point to those verses you used as related to Jesus and the law. Other than in John 1:45 where it shows the Israelites knew through scripture and from the prophets Christ was coming.
Acts 3:22 Moses said,' The Lord will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23) And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.
Acts 7:37 This is the Moses who said to the Israelites,'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers.' 38) This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mt. Sinai, and with our fathers.
Again you have brought verses that show Christ being foretold, coming to the Jews as the new Covenant that brings salvation to His people.

Deut. 13:1-4, you missed on this big time too. These verses speak of a person who prophesies and the prophecy comes true yet says, let's follow a false god in not a true prophet. Jesus gave prophecies and called the Jews to follow the one true God. These verses are not about the law, they are about following the true God of creation.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Trinity - by old man - August 25, 2013 at 5:18 am
RE: Trinity - by Zen Badger - August 25, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Trinity - by shadowninjax - August 25, 2013 at 6:52 am
RE: Trinity - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: Trinity - by pocaracas - August 25, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 25, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - August 28, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - August 28, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: Trinity - by pocaracas - August 28, 2013 at 4:34 am
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 28, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 1, 2013 at 5:26 am
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RE: Trinity - by old man - September 1, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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RE: Trinity - by old man - September 5, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cinjin - September 5, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 5, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - September 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 28, 2013 at 6:36 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 29, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 29, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 30, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 30, 2013 at 7:51 am
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 31, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 30, 2013 at 3:02 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - August 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 28, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - August 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - August 29, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Trinity - by Chas - August 30, 2013 at 1:10 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 31, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: Trinity - by Chas - August 31, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 25, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - August 25, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: Trinity - by Napoléon - August 25, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - August 25, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Trinity - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 25, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Trinity - by LastPoet - August 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - August 25, 2013 at 5:36 pm
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RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 25, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - August 25, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 26, 2013 at 3:07 am
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RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - August 28, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: Trinity - by Zen Badger - August 28, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 28, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - August 29, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Trinity - by Tonus - August 29, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 1:45 am
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RE: Trinity - by Tonus - August 30, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - August 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Trinity - by FifthElement - August 31, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 31, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - August 31, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Trinity - by Tonus - September 1, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 1, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cinjin - September 2, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 1, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 5, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Trinity - by Thackerie - September 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 5, 2013 at 7:08 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 5, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 6, 2013 at 1:10 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 7, 2013 at 6:12 am
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 7, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 8, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - September 8, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 11, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 9, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - September 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 11, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 11, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 13, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 14, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 15, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: Trinity - by Tonus - September 15, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 15, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 17, 2013 at 11:17 pm
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RE: Trinity - by old man - September 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Chas - September 17, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 17, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Trinity - by Beta Ray Bill - September 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - September 14, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - September 14, 2013 at 2:25 am
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 14, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 14, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - September 15, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 17, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 19, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 19, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 18, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - September 18, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 18, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 19, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Trinity - by LastPoet - September 19, 2013 at 3:26 pm

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