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Trinity
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RE: Trinity
Even more notable are the verses that follow.

John 10:31-38 Wrote:31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’d ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

You wind up with a confusing mish-mash of claims, that can be produced out-of-context to "prove" pretty much anything about Jesus and god. The Jews accuse him of claiming to "be god." Jesus' reply seems to acknowledge that he is not claiming to be god, by pointing out that the word is also used to describe mere mortals, and clarifies his stance by re-interpreting his own statement to read "I am god's son." He ends with the cryptic statement that the father is "in him" (I can imagine that this part sends chills up the spine of many a Catholic priest) and he is in the father. Reading it gives the distinct impression that Jesus recognizes god as a separate individual, greater than himself.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Trinity - by old man - August 25, 2013 at 5:18 am
RE: Trinity - by Zen Badger - August 25, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Trinity - by shadowninjax - August 25, 2013 at 6:52 am
RE: Trinity - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: Trinity - by pocaracas - August 25, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 25, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - August 28, 2013 at 1:15 am
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RE: Trinity - by pocaracas - August 28, 2013 at 4:34 am
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 28, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 1, 2013 at 5:26 am
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RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 29, 2013 at 7:22 am
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RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 30, 2013 at 12:48 am
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - August 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 28, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - August 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - August 29, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
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RE: Trinity - by Godschild - August 31, 2013 at 1:53 am
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RE: Trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - August 25, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 25, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Trinity - by LastPoet - August 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - August 25, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Neo-Scholastic - August 25, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 25, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - August 25, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - August 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Trinity - by FifthElement - August 26, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Trinity - by Cinjin - August 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 26, 2013 at 3:07 am
RE: Trinity - by Fruity - August 26, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - August 28, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: Trinity - by Zen Badger - August 28, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 28, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - August 29, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Trinity - by Tonus - August 29, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 1:45 am
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - August 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Trinity - by FifthElement - August 31, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - August 31, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - August 31, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Trinity - by Tonus - September 1, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 1, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cinjin - September 2, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 1, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 5, 2013 at 4:04 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 5, 2013 at 7:08 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 5, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 6, 2013 at 1:10 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 7, 2013 at 6:12 am
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 7, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 8, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - September 8, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 11, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 9, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Trinity - by Captain Colostomy - September 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 11, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 11, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 13, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 14, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 15, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: Trinity - by Tonus - September 15, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 15, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Trinity - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 17, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Trinity - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Trinity - by Beta Ray Bill - September 16, 2013 at 3:40 pm
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RE: Trinity - by Chas - September 17, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 17, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 17, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Trinity - by Beta Ray Bill - September 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Silver - September 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Trinity - by Godschild - September 14, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - September 14, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 14, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 14, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 14, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Trinity - by Angrboda - September 15, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 17, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Trinity - by old man - September 19, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: Trinity - by Faith No More - September 19, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 19, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: Trinity - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 18, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Trinity - by Brakeman - September 18, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Trinity - by Cyberman - September 18, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Trinity - by Bad Writer - September 19, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Trinity - by LastPoet - September 19, 2013 at 3:26 pm

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