(September 5, 2013 at 11:44 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote: Yea this secular thinking still working its way through. Thanka for the diagram, so what I am taking from yall is that agnostic is more of the mental process concerning the subject of god. By process i mean the description of how you view the concept of god, while the atheist term is to deacribe your passive stance pertaining to god himself and your over arching relationship with the thought.
Yeah, you are making this way more complex that it has to be.
agnostic atheist - I don't claim to know if a god exists, but I do not believe one does.
agnostic theist - I do not claim to know if a god exists, but I believe one does.
gnostic atheist - I claim to know that a god does not exist, therefore I do not believe.
gnostic theist - I claim to know that a god does exist, therefore I believe.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
