(January 12, 2010 at 9:24 am)scientist Wrote: Thanks for all the great responses, sorry for delays in replying.
It's really simple guys. Your claim that "order can exist w/o an intellgent being guiding it" is radical, subjective and the burden of proof falls on you atheists.
I'm sorry mate but you were the one who started the thread with the claim "Scientific method proves order cannot exist w/o intelligence" and thus you are the one with the burden of proof. Any attempt on your part to shift the burden of proof will be called as a failure to support your position.
Not only that but you are yet to show any methodology what so ever, thus far you have done nothing more than demonstrate your utter ignorance of the scientific method.
Quote:It's because this cannot be:
1) seen in a controlled laboratory for objectivity. Your observations of order are entirely subjective.
Actually no, the order is never defined subjectively, they are mathematically ordered forms, often something that is mathematically ordered appears to us subjectively as something entirely chaotic, so your point falls flat in both instances.
Quote:2) The claim is contradictory to basic logic, even common sense. Inorganic objects do not fall into order by themselves.
Mindless natural forces acting on object(s) ≠ Falling info order by themselves.
I must ask, did you actually think that a single person here would believe you are a Scientist? And here i was thinking you lot considered bearing false witness a sin...
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