RE: The bible identifies the Christ as a False Prophet
September 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm by Drich.)
(September 16, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:Christ Identifies himself as a King and refers to what He meant by His 'kingdom' when he spoke to pilate before his death.. that's as much of a hint as I am willing to give. If you or anyone else indeed want to have an on topic version of your previous assertion.(September 16, 2013 at 4:24 pm)Drich Wrote: Hold on cowboy, Christ says "28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
So the burden of proof on you to establish that Christ's Kingdom did not come as described before all of those men died.
A kingdom is a pretty substantial thing. The earliest written history of Jesus comes from Galatians, arguably written in the year 48 CE. That's about 20 years after the "death" of Jesus. The Jews have no record of an independent kingdom since the Babylonian invasion of 434 BCE. Judea was undeniably ruled by the Romans in the first century CE.
What I'm getting at is that Jesus did nothing to bring glory and rebirth to the Jewish people. He was no king when he was alive, and he didn't return to Earth in the lifetimes of his apostles with a new kingdom. Spiritually, some could call him a king, but most of them would be Gentiles from the 2nd century on. There was very little acceptance of Jesus in the Jewish world. The "existence" of Jesus did nothing for the Jews, and almost nil for those that believed in him before they died. He failed in his promise. He did not return with a new kingdom before all of his original believers died.
Christ was no king, and never will be.
(September 17, 2013 at 12:17 am)Minimalist Wrote: Hey, Drippy....
verse 27 says "27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. "
When did that shit happen? How come everyone missed it? Maybe the JWs are right and your boy snuck back in 1914?
when has it not?
(September 17, 2013 at 1:05 am)max-greece Wrote:(September 16, 2013 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Kingdom of Christ is the Christian Church, and it was going before those He spoke to were dead. Jesus is the ruler of the church and the lives it encompasses.
GC
You get that from this:
“Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Matthew 16:28
I don't know GC - that seems more than a stretch to me. Surely its a reference to the second coming which did not happen in any of their lifetimes - unless one or more of them is secretly still alive today....
your confusing two very different concepts.
The establishment of Christ 'church'/kingdom where Christ rules, and the end of the age of man.
