If these resident theists really talk to god..

[Mister Agenda]

So... what? Now you're trying to cast doubt on whether Fidel cares about his dad? Seriously?

What I said was your defending what Fidel's dad has or has not done is at best a 3 hand account. If Fidel can only give a second hand account of his father's deeds then how can you accuratly repersent what this man has or has not done in his life?

I can't, so therefore I don't speculate on it based on things Fidel hasn't said about him.

have you faced certain death?

No one living has. If they're alive, their death can't have been that certain, can it have? I've experienced induced clinical death, though.

Only the truly sucidal embrace death.

I'm not in any hurry to become dead, I don't embrace it, but since I've tried it, I've lost all fear of it. As long as it's not painful I have no complaints, and if it IS painful, once I'm dead I'll have no complaints.

All others will do what they can to live.

Are you saying that every person will do whatever it takes to survive, no matter what?

If one accepts his death, then there is a final appeal to simply cover his bases the best that he can. That is all that was said.

And one problem with saying that is that it simply isn't true. Here's a hint: you're not going to cover your bases unless you believe, at least a little, that they need to be covered. Did you put in a good word with Shiva, just in case?

I did not mention either as to again persent a netural oppertunity to fill in what you wanted to see. I treated this situation no differently than how I was treated when I shared my HIV experience, but suddenly I am the monster.

Because the difference between how you were treated and how you treated Fidel had to do with the other things YOU said that Fidel didn't.

Maybe you all hypocrits should revisit some of the things you told me.

I don't know if I weighed in the last time, my recollection is vague in spots, but I imagine I would say something like 'I'm sorry you thought you had HIV, but it sounds like it was a false positive'. You're entitled to sympathy for being scared, but you're not entitled to have your claim treated as true because you had a bad experience (which you survived, by the way). I strongly, strongly doubt that you said: I thought I was dying because I was sick and tested postive for HIV; stopped there, and everyone jumped on you for having been ill. And I personally only expect so much sympathy for a heart surgery I survived years ago...it's not like my dad is dying.

Again what I shared was not hear say. It was a first hand account from the person who experienced the situation.

It was a little story about you that didn't have anything to do with Fidel's dad except to get in a 'he's sure going to believe when he's dead!' moment.

How was that any different that what I did with my own story?

Fidel's story was a simple counterpoint (one of many, that you never seem to acknowledge or remember) to your claim. You used your story for far more. My near-death experience doesn't trump yours...but it does show that not everyone's experience is the same.

Again I shared my experiences with you all not to gain sympathy, but to talk about lie, death and what is beyond, as the subject of the conversation was already headed in that direction.

Which is fine as long as you didn't use it to make claims about what other people's experiences with death are like.

Why should any of your experiences demand a greater respect than my own?

Because none of us are claiming that YOUR experience has to be like our own.

I was told I should have died from AIDS, that I should Pray that God give me AIDS again, that my whole family should die of AIDS... Where were the self righteous defenders of pop morality that day?

Maybe they lost sympathy when you offered to pray that they get a deadly disease.

Where was Stimbo and the verbal warnings then?

I think the person who first brought praying for people to get a deadly illness up would be the one who has to worry about Stimbo.

Why was it ok for me to be blasted for trying to share a mirical, and it is not OK to say that a man on his death bed (Lest he is a Misotheist) will cry out to God?

You poor, poor thing. You've actually convinced yourself that you were berated for trying to share a miracle instead of offering out deadly diseases? Where's mine, by the way? It's been weeks and I feel fine. If it takes twenty years I'm liable to think your prayer that something happen to me that should kill me didn't have anything to do with it.

again from experience, I am no different. I did not treat this man's situation any worse then my own nor did I stoop to the level you 'good' people did either.

But his situation actually IS worse than your own. He's actually dying, not mistakenly under the impresson that he's about to die. And he's not here to speak for himself or defend himself.

I gave him the same respect as I gave myself sharing a similar situation. What more is there to give?

Simple human compassion for someone whose father is dying. You didn't have to be nice to him. You just needed to leave his dad out of it.

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I have one question, why is it considered mentally ill if you talk to yourself, but not mentally ill if you talk to god whom is also is with in your head?

It depends on how you communicate with God. If it's by speaking aloud or telepathy, most agree you're okay. If it's through your cellphone or by courier, most think you're crazy.