RE: Scientific method proves order cannot exist w/o intelligence
January 19, 2010 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2010 at 5:53 pm by rjh4 is back.)
(January 19, 2010 at 4:51 pm)chatpilot Wrote: rjh4 you are making all these truth claims from the bible, be careful! It sounds like preaching to me and you could get in trouble for that here.
Thanks for the concern. I know of the rule not to preach and try very hard not to come across that way as I realize I am merely a guest here. So far no warnings even....
(January 19, 2010 at 4:51 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Secondly, I am surprised that everyone else here has been drawn into your so called claim of evidence when the onus is actually on you the believer making these claims to prove to us that what you claim is true. That being the case you have not proven anything based on what I have read so far.
"God creates the universe and all that is in it and tells us (reveals to us) that He did it and provides enough specifics in history to determine approximately when this happened."
First prove to us that God exists. Then share with us some specifics as to how he has revealed that he has created all things in the universe, and don't forget some of those "specifics in history" you claim to know of.
"God has already done that through the Bible which indicates some of the things that happened in the past, e.g., God created the universe, man sinned and the consequence was a fallen man and universe, there was a global flood, Jesus came into the world to live a perfect life and then to take the punishment that man deserved because of his (man’s) sin, and then rose from the dead."
Once again, prove it!! First start by showing me how the bible is the word of god beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Jesus was the son of god and that he actually existed, and most importantly to your faith that he rose from the dead. You are aware that as atheists the bible has no authority nor validity in our worldview? The bible is nothing more than a book of myths and legends created by man and nothing more. For us to believe anything the bible says we would have to abandon our abilities of logic and reason over the inferior beliefs you foster through faith.
Actually, I think you may have missed the point I was at least trying to make.
My point was that every worldview is built on some unprovable premises. If you don't think so...just try building a worldview without doing so. You are asking me to prove mine. That would be like me asking you to prove the unprovable premises upon which your world view is founded. Why do you think your unprovable premises lead you to a more correct conclusion as to what reality is than mine? (If you are inclined to answer, it would be nice if you let me know what your unprovable premises are that constitute the foundation of your worldview.)Quote:So what is your problem with unprovable premises?
Nothing. See above.
(January 19, 2010 at 5:32 pm)theVOID Wrote: No I do not, I operate under no presuppositions
Sounds like a presupposition to me.
(January 19, 2010 at 5:32 pm)theVOID Wrote: I made it extremely clear that it exists at the least as a concept, not something in physical reality or even a supernatural reality.
You've got a straw man of my position here. The concept of Santa Claus exists regardless of whether or not he does, I made this very clear in my original post.
You did make it clear. My point was just that your position has no correlation or relationship with communication as it normally ocurrs...so why follow your position? It would render communication that is otherwise clear, practically unintelligible.
As an aside...I find it interesting that your posts include many truth claims that do not appear to be testable with the scientific method that you say is required for such claims. Whenever I ask about this, you never respond. Maybe your worldview is not as nailed down as you think it is.
