(January 21, 2010 at 11:38 am)chatpilot Wrote: FvF said: "The believer, however, has the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide him into all truth (John 16:13). So to the degree that a believer lives a Spirit controlled life and studies the Word of God, the believer can know objective truths beyond the common objective truths we know from observation/science, i.e., those found in the Word of God."
I am utterly shocked that you reverted to this argument FvF I personally thought that this was beneath you. Aside from the fact that this is a very bold statement it presents several problems. The first and most obvious problem is that you would have to prove that the bible is in fact the word of god so good luck with that one. The bible self advertises that it is the word of god and most people take that view at face value. But as I always say a revelation is only a revelation to the one claiming to have experienced it, to the rest of us it's just hearsay. In fact you would have to prove several things:
1. That the biblical god exist
2. That he inspired some men to write his word in some mystical way
3. That t holy spirit being god exist
4. That somehow that spirit communicates with us and confirms and guides it's followers
5. That there are truths "beyond common objective truths" found in the bible.
By the way anything you do to try to prove any of the above are subjective.
I will answer Adrian later as I don't have time now...but:
First, I'm Rjh4, not FvF.
Second, I think you need to distinguish between proving something and answering a question. I was not trying to prove anything to Adrian. I even said I could not prove to anyone what goes on inside me. I can merely tell you it does. I was merely answering his question from my point of view and my point of view takes God and His Word as a given. Not every answer to a question is intended to provide a formal proof of something.
