RE: Why do Atheists spend so much time debatng the existence of God?
October 2, 2013 at 10:05 am
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2013 at 10:07 am by Tortino.)
(October 2, 2013 at 9:49 am)Rationalman Wrote:(October 2, 2013 at 9:34 am)Tortino Wrote: Well, we have seen , an absence of religious belief has been the biggest destruction in terms of killings in human history.Oh dear, oh dear, sorry, had to say that twice there. Their atheism had the same amount of influence over their killings than their facial hair did. It was not done in the name of atheism. On the other hand all those people killed in the bible were killed because god said so. They were killed in the name of god. And have you ever heard of the crusades? Maybe you wanna look those up. What about the witches being killed in africa right now. Do some research you dumb fuck.
Joseph Stalin killed over 20 million people
Mao Zedong killed 45 million...
Pol Pot killed around 1.7 million.
[b]LOL hit a nerve did i ? Question, why did you cut off the rest of my comment where I specifically said "Did their lack of belief cause them to kill? Who knows, but no direct link can be made". You don't want to misquote me do now do you? The bottom line is that we have seen that in the absence of religious belief, we have seen the biggest atrocities in human history. So religion is the least of your worries.
(October 2, 2013 at 9:34 am)Tortino Wrote: ver, how can the teachings of Jesus be reconciled to killing someone? Killing and then attributing it to the teachings of Christianity is as non sequitur as me killing someone and saying I am doing it in the name of the New York Yankees.[/b]
What the fuck is this bullshit?
You do realise the Christians are not bound by the mosaic law? Comparing Christianity to the new covenant is like comparing chalk and cheese.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
This was a manual for priests. You do realise that this was written as a law, like today, for people who perform evil acts. Like the death penalty today.
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Yep, these are all sins. However, Christians are not bound by this law today. Christ fulfilled the Mosaic law.
(October 2, 2013 at 9:34 am)Tortino Wrote: No, the bible does not tell us to kill non believers. I am not sure where you got that from.
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NA
You are a fucking idiot who hasn't read their own holy book. Educate yourself.
[b]LOL, again, this is a clear statement that you do not understand Christianity. Jesus fulfilled the mosaic law. This did not apply since Christ was crucified. This is not relevant to Christianity.
(October 2, 2013 at 9:34 am)Tortino Wrote: Some of the greatest scientists have been Theists. As I said, science is built on the foundation of Christianity. Science owes a lot to Christianity.No, science owes a lot to scientists who happened to be christian. You know they set out to affirm their faith but when all evidence pointed against it, they accepted it.
Really? do you know anything about how science started?
(October 2, 2013 at 9:59 am)Brian37 Wrote:(October 2, 2013 at 9:49 am)Tortino Wrote: Well, I am not a Muslim. I believe Islam is false, But that is another topic.
Congratulations, I also believe Islam is false. But hate to burst your bubble but "poof" babies don't work as claims for me since I know that it takes TWO sets of DNA to make a baby. So unless your invisible sky daddy is willing to pony up with a sample of godsperm, I think you are screwed.
You have a comic book that creates men out of dirt, women out of ribs, treats the sun and moon as separate sources of light, talking snakes and donkeys. And a magic man who commits a fake suicide for his own selfish self glorification.
Listing to one fan of one religion point to another superstition would be like being at a si fi convention listing to a Star Trek fan point at a Star Wars fan and say "Yea, The Force is stupid".
The only difference between you and me is that I reject one more god claim than you do. Understand why you reject Allah as a claim and you will understand why I reject your claims as well.
It was understandable that Christians and Muslisms and Jews believed that crap back then. But it is 2013 and when you know the earth is a globe and not flat, and still insist on pretending it is flat, you look stupid.
WOW, what a crushing rebuttal. Well done!!
(October 2, 2013 at 10:04 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: In my opinion it not as much as arguing a deities existence (it might be for some) at least for me anyway. It is more about the fact these religions claim absolute truth, such a claim requires scrunity. It is the fact that religion attempt to be above objective analysis that makes it such a threat to reason and progress of the human mind.
Each religion has their doctrine and the most logical thing to do is go through each claim and come up with your own conclusion. If you don't believe in anyone of them, then at least you tired.
Threat to human reason? Give us examples.
