At 25 pages, I'll have to apologize in advance if I make a point already raised.
In the YEC idea, it necessarily means that what we know via science that all science that supports A) an old Earth and B) the evolutionary history of life, must be wrong. And systematically wrong in the same ways consistently.
Why is science wrong about these observations, experiments, conclusions, and data interpretations?
YEC makes assumptions about processes like radiometric decay being wrong. How do you get A) older dates through changing the rates? B) get dates of varying ages even in the same systems from rate changes? C) and how do you change the rates of decay?
If all of the sediments on Earth with fossil life in them display a young Earth and a flood, why are there none of the lifeforms from the sediments highest up in the sediments the furthest down? Surely the already dead would not have been able to escape the rising flood waters, why are they preserved along with those who supposedly did get away?
Organisms like bivalves or other non-motile organisms (like all plants) are preserved throughout the record, shouldn't they be restricted to a single layer?
Brachiopods were clearly very diverse in the past, but are now restricted to only a few taxa living in odd/hostile environments. Why did their diversity decline after the flood?
What about marine and freshwater animals? The oceans would have become more fresh and they would have all died while the lakes would have become more saline and they would have all died. Noah didn't take 2 of all of them and clearly could not have taken any of the deepwater organisms.
In the YEC idea, it necessarily means that what we know via science that all science that supports A) an old Earth and B) the evolutionary history of life, must be wrong. And systematically wrong in the same ways consistently.
Why is science wrong about these observations, experiments, conclusions, and data interpretations?
YEC makes assumptions about processes like radiometric decay being wrong. How do you get A) older dates through changing the rates? B) get dates of varying ages even in the same systems from rate changes? C) and how do you change the rates of decay?
If all of the sediments on Earth with fossil life in them display a young Earth and a flood, why are there none of the lifeforms from the sediments highest up in the sediments the furthest down? Surely the already dead would not have been able to escape the rising flood waters, why are they preserved along with those who supposedly did get away?
Organisms like bivalves or other non-motile organisms (like all plants) are preserved throughout the record, shouldn't they be restricted to a single layer?
Brachiopods were clearly very diverse in the past, but are now restricted to only a few taxa living in odd/hostile environments. Why did their diversity decline after the flood?
What about marine and freshwater animals? The oceans would have become more fresh and they would have all died while the lakes would have become more saline and they would have all died. Noah didn't take 2 of all of them and clearly could not have taken any of the deepwater organisms.
(October 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm)JeffB Wrote: I am a Young Earth Creationist on a quest: I am sincerely interested in reading EVERY argument against YEC.
Brief background: After studying creationism, I was encouraged to see how strong this model has become over the recent decade.
It caused me to want to search out and read arguments AGAINST creation. And the more I read them, the more convinced I became: the creation model is actually very logically solid.
But just to make sure I’ve done a thorough search, I decided to come here and ask members of an atheist forum. I’ve certainly done plenty of searching myself, googling, bing-ing, etc. I’m pretty sure I’ve read all of them, but perhaps you know of some more.
Here’s links to the ‘best’ ones I’ve found (I not included the lesser quality ones):
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Branches_of...reationism
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_ag...t_creation
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4065
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Problems_wi..._inerrancy
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?cat=16
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=499
http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...reationist (As a YEC, I particularly enjoyed this one)
So, if you have any other good ones, please post them here and I will read them.
**REQUEST: PLEASE keep this thread on topic: posting challenges to YEC.
I am not interested in starting a debate, nor defending myself. I REALLY do want good information in response, from credible sources when possible (not just random thoughts).
(Fellow creationists: please don’t jump in and ramble, just listen. In fact, if you do that same research I’ve done, you might too come out very encouraged by what you believe)
-Jeff
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